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WHO are the left-wing radicals?Name some names, please.BTW, if you are speaking of Canadian politicians, I really don't know much about them. If you are taling about US politicans, I am very curious regarding who you mean.

We are the government. My point is to try to get you to think about the issue. So I have something that is labeled Birth Certificate. I'm stopped. How is that document checked or verified?

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How could you possibly think a few names is more important than the paradign shift in thinking and perspective I've outlined? The fact of the matter is that a great many have become left wing radicals. And, surprising as this will be to you, look in the mirror.Truman and Kennedy would be conservatives today.

To be very blunt, you so badly misunderstand and misrepresent what i write, I see no point to responding.

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How could you possibly think a few names is more important than the paradign shift in thinking and perspective I've outlined? The fact of the matter is that a great many have become left wing radicals. And, surprising as this will be to you, look in the mirror.

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Humor me.Name some names of the most prominent radical left wing American politicians of influence of the last, oh, 30 years.

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Truman and Kennedy would be conservatives today.

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And what would Nixon and Goldwater be classified as today?

I'm not resisting anything, i know that the christians help pave the way, but to claim that most if not all things invented by the west is the work of purely christians is a load of nonsense and i will not stand by and watch as people distort history to make one group better than everyone else
if we are talking the US then no it has never been a christian civilazion, but if you want to play with what words mean then fine go for it

Umm i think if we have a bloody large part of our population that gets offended by it then yes, we should think about it
did you not read the second part of my post?if mexico had a large segment of people from spain and they celibrate a defeat of spain, why would that be a good idea?
its basicly thumbing your nose at someone who lives here

See, this is the kind of thing that makes me distrustful of your position. Out of one side of your mouth, you're telling me that the "illegals" are taking our jobs. Out of the other, you're telling me they come up here just to freeload.Which is it? You act like there's an infinite supply. You know, eventually Mexico runs out of people to send. Sucks to be them! I mean, seriously. Sometimes doing the right thing means you lose out. It happens. The guy who speeds gets there before I do. Is society served by jailing all these people? By deporting them? That's the case you need to be making.

And Republicans would call Barry Goldwater a flaming liberal. You think you're the only one left behind by the party you used to support?

That's a pretty personal charge. Could you support it with evidence, please?

I agree. Today's Republicans are yesterday's, circa 1970, Democrats. Today's Democrats are yesterday's left wing radicals.

I did not say that one group is better than everyone else. That betrays your own value judgement. I merely pointed what is fact: Christian civilization has contributed, by far, the most to humanity with rspect to political structure and rights and fredeoms, and in art, literature and music.if you deny that the US has been, and continues to be, a part of Christian civilization, then it is you who wants to spin.BTW. Do you deny that Islamic countries are a part of islamic civilization?

that is what i mean, you DO say one group is better than another, by calling it Christian civilization, whether they are christian or not is irrelevent, and insulting to people who did not have belief in christ, other beliefs didn't just pop out of nowhere in the last 50 years I'm not spinning anything, I said the USA is not a christian nation and never has been. That was the whole idea of america, not to be based on one religion, if you don't realize this then read a few books No, but spliting a civilization based on religion is faulty reasoning, thier are people who are not muslim who contributed to middle-eastern countries as well as india and other countries with large populations of muslams
My point is you are making christianity seem like it was a force in the invention of everything in the last 200 years when it is purely irrelevent to the inventing. If the inventers were not christian i think they would have go the ideas regardless

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Today's Republicans are yesterday's, circa 1970, Democrats. Today's Democrats are yesterday's left wing radicals.

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So, how would Nixon's views, actions, and policies be accepted by the Republican party today, in your opinion?Nixon instituted OSHA, the EPA, and the Endangered Species Act.And WHO are the left wing radicals you speak of? I have asked you at least four times now to give me an example of the people you speak of but you refuse to do so. Why is that?I am simply trying to figure out what or who you consider to be "left wing".I suspect that you believe that anyone left of Arlen Specter (a moderate Republican) would earn your "radical left" label.So, come on, NAME SOME NAMES so we can actually look at their views and we can begin to understand what you actually mean by "left wing radical".

Nixon would be a mainstream Republican today.As for the left...I don't want to name names because, as i explained, that would detract from my point about the paradign shift in the ovrall left wing towards something radical, vis a vis classical liberalism.