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Author Topic:   Is there anything up with the "Altenberg 16"?
Otto Tellick
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Message 40 of 47 (470384)
06-10-2008 10:33 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by randman
06-02-2008 1:43 PM


Re: so what is taught is wrong?
randman writes:
Personally, I don't object to some aspects of evolution on religious grounds but simply because it's not factual.
I wonder whether you extend the same consideration to some aspects of biblical text -- i.e. object to it because it's not factual. If you don't, why not?
Having seen that you express an interest in this "Altenberg 16" meeting, I hope that you will follow through with an interest in its outcome. It is not impossible that some of the "not factual" issues you currently object to would be addressed in a way that would answer your objections. That is a common enough process in science, in stark contrast to religious doctrine.

autotelic adj. (of an entity or event) having within itself the purpose of its existence or happening.

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Otto Tellick
Member (Idle past 2361 days)
Posts: 288
From: PA, USA
Joined: 02-17-2008


Message 42 of 47 (470685)
06-11-2008 10:14 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by randman
06-11-2008 1:33 AM


Re: so what is taught is wrong?
randman writes:
I think you misunderstand the nature of religion personally
Personally, I think people who hold firm religious beliefs misunderstand nature.
and also seem to think religion and science should work on the same sort of basis, which is a fundamental error
On the contrary, I know that religion and science each work on fundamentally different sorts of bases. My initial comment (considering some portions of biblical text open to objection due to being counter-factual) was an attempt to pinpoint a sort of cognitive schism in your world view. Some of the things you say seem to indicate an open-mindedness toward findings based on observation and physical evidence, yet based on other things you say, you absolutely accept certain assertions that are physically impossible, simply because they derive from your chosen interpretation of some fragment of biblical text (or you reject assertions that are based on firm observation because they contradict your interpretation of the text).
but then again, I think of evolutionism as religion.
I find it astonishing and sad how frequently and persistently this opinion is expressed. If religion were like "evolutionism" (i.e. scientific method), my initial comment (objecting to biblical text because its counter-factual) would have been on topic, or you might have at least responded that you are open to re-interpreting some portions of the text (e.g. as being metaphorical or symbolic in some way, rather than as historical record), as you improve your own understanding of the physical world around you.

autotelic adj. (of an entity or event) having within itself the purpose of its existence or happening.

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