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Wounded King
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Message 14 of 87 (320274)
06-10-2006 10:11 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Chiroptera
06-10-2006 9:21 PM


Re: What's Theobald's premise?
A dolphin does not have the "anatomics" of a fish...
Maybe he meant aerodynamics, that is the only thing I can think of that makes any sense at all.
TTFN,
WK

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Wounded King
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Message 30 of 87 (321567)
06-14-2006 6:59 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Scrutinizer
06-14-2006 6:38 PM


Re: Greetings
I'm just saying that you should not use taxonomical structure as "confirmation" of evolution, since such a pattern can also be expected assuming intelligent design.
You certainly make a case for it being explainable under an assumption of Intelligent design, but I'm not sure you have really shown why it would be expected any more than a number of other possible patterns that could have been produced.
TTFN,
WK

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Wounded King
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Message 55 of 87 (322293)
06-16-2006 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by Scrutinizer
06-16-2006 12:41 PM


Re: Greetings
No one denies that taxonomically closer organisms (i.e., those with closer phenotypes) ought also to have generally more similarity genetically. It should be predicted by anyone, creationist or evolutionist, with any background in genetics.
I see absoloutely no reason for this to be the case at all. There are many possible alternative aa sequences which could perform specific tasksa and even more DNA sequences which could code for these tasks. Other than positing a parsimionious god ther is no reasin at all why a creationist should predict more similarity genetically, at least not outwith the bounds of a 'kind' derived from a common ancestral population. Why should drosophila have a highly conserved homeobox domain and conserved homeobox binding sites, any number of other schemes would have allowed the binding of the requisite factors to the right DNA locus. Why should a creationist predict this?
Could you please provide some examples of "broken" genes that humans and chimps share?
The most commonly given example is the gene for Vitamin C synthesis.
As well as this there is a lot of research into processed pseudogenes which have been rendered non-functional as protein coding genes.
Its hard to rebut your third hand argument about sequence similarity in the absence of any actual reference to real data. If I have the time I'll try to pull together an alignment of the mitochondrial cyt-c sequences for those species, although the rather random nature of the choices seems peculiar, so I might throw in a few more species.
Another important point is that the generational argument is significantly undercut by the fact that the gene is mitochondrial, assuming that they aren't referencing a nuclear copy of cytochrome c, and a mitochondrial gene is going to be someone disconnected from the evolutionary rate of the nuclear genome and certainly more likely to be decoupled from direct generational considerations.
TTFN,
WK
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Message 87 of 87 (328433)
07-03-2006 5:56 AM
Reply to: Message 84 by Hyroglyphx
07-02-2006 12:59 PM


Jumping (pseudo)genes
Aside from this, the GLO gene apparently can make jumps in between the evolutionary tree.
Evidence Against Pseudogene Shared Mistakes | Answers in Genesis
The evidence for this seems a bit limp. Certainly there are sites shared between the human and guinea pig sequences which aren't in rat but all that means is that the rat is different. Without more sequences showing that the Rat sequence represents the ancestral sequence I'm not sure how you can argue that this provides any evidence for the GLO pseudogene 'jumping'.
TTFN,
WK

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