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truthlover
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Message 91 of 107 (86047)
02-13-2004 9:46 AM
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02-13-2004 9:42 AM


Re: Assumptions assumptions assumptions
Neanderthals weren't giants. They were stockier, but shorter than us.

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Dr Jack
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Message 92 of 107 (86048)
02-13-2004 9:50 AM
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02-13-2004 9:42 AM


Re: Assumptions assumptions assumptions
Well let's forget about extinct apes how about what our history books say...
I do not consider the Bible to be a history book of any sort.
Could this indeed be the Neanderthal?
The bible was written many thousands of years after the Neanderthals became extinct, and there is no real evidence for Neanderthals having interbred with Cro Magnon man, so no, I don't think so.

"You're Green, You're Ugly and the Gods Hate You."

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PaulK
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Message 93 of 107 (86053)
02-13-2004 10:08 AM
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02-13-2004 9:01 AM


Human migrations from Mt DNA
A nice little presentation on how the distribution of mitochondrial DNA lineages shows how humans spread out over the world.
McDonald Institute for Archaeological Research | Department of Archaeology

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Jagz Beach
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Message 94 of 107 (86059)
02-13-2004 10:29 AM


How do we know for sure they were not giants?

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Dr Jack
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Message 95 of 107 (86060)
02-13-2004 10:32 AM
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02-13-2004 10:29 AM


How do we know for sure they were not giants?
Because we know them from skeletons? It's not exactly hard to work out all tall someone, or something, was from its skeleton.

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Message 96 of 107 (86061)
02-13-2004 10:43 AM


Well I guess that rules that out. Back to the drawing board. Got to love it. Nothing more exciting than learning more and more just how stupid we actually are. This sux. Why is it that learning leads us to be stupider rather than smarter? Seems the more I understand the less I know. What an enigma learning is.

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Dr Jack
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Message 97 of 107 (86064)
02-13-2004 10:49 AM
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02-13-2004 10:43 AM


There's a Chinese saying which is something like:
"The mark of true knowledge is to understand how little you know."

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NosyNed
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Message 98 of 107 (86066)
02-13-2004 11:20 AM
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02-13-2004 10:49 AM


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As we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns - the ones we don't know we don't know.
Which caused Rumsfeld a lot of trouble but was, once carefully unscrambled, saying something important.

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Message 99 of 107 (86068)
02-13-2004 11:22 AM
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02-13-2004 9:23 AM


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There are actually many mitochondrial lines or variants that co-exist now.
Just curious about the diversity in human mito genomes. Perhaps you could post something in the Links/Info forum, might be more appropriate. If you don't have it handy, don't sweat it, just curious.

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Jagz Beach
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Message 100 of 107 (86157)
02-13-2004 5:00 PM
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02-13-2004 9:46 AM


Re: Assumptions assumptions assumptions
Since man and Neanderthal coexisted, what are the possibilities that man could have killed and buried the Neanderthals in some sort of ceremonial ritual? How do we know that the tools did not belong to man?
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NosyNed
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Message 101 of 107 (86158)
02-13-2004 5:30 PM
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02-13-2004 5:00 PM


Re: Assumptions assumptions assumptions
I suppose it is possible and I don't know if there is evidence one way or the other.
If there is no evidence what do you think the most likely true assumption would be?
H. Neanderthalis had a brain size about the same as we (perhaps a bit bigger). They are associated with some tool use and fire.(which is guess is, in fact, evidence) Why would any other assumption about their burials be reasonable.

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Jagz Beach
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Message 102 of 107 (86169)
02-13-2004 6:14 PM


I can't help but to think that they could have actually stole the tools, Jewelry, etc. etc. etc. I am digging as long as there is a human factor involved it's hard for me to rule it out as the cause of fire, tools and jewelry etc. etc. etc..
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mark24
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Message 103 of 107 (86173)
02-13-2004 6:51 PM
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02-13-2004 6:14 PM


They didn't always co-exist in all places. Neandertals used their own tools. In fact their tool complexity increased as they aped Homo sapien sapien when they arrived on the scene, they simply weren't as innovative.
Mark

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Jagz Beach
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Message 104 of 107 (86250)
02-14-2004 8:48 AM


I am going to have to reserve judgment on this issue; I know how certain scientists like to jump to conclusions when it suits their intents and purposes. LOL
Time to sift the facts out from all the watered down 'explanations' and see what we see. I am still not convinced regarding the timeline.
Could some one give me a crash course on why we are so certaint of the time lines?

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NosyNed
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Message 105 of 107 (86266)
02-14-2004 11:30 AM
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02-14-2004 8:48 AM


Go to Dates and Dating Forum and browse there for the methods used and why they can be considered accurate.

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