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Loudmouth
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Message 58 of 107 (85201)
02-10-2004 7:51 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Jagz Beach
02-09-2004 8:49 PM


Re: What Science Is
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Though there are many species of a finch, a finch is still a finch, and so to is man still a man though there are yellow, red, and brown ones. There are limits to the theory, limits which I cannot deny, nor close my eyes too. I can by no means look to evolution as reality, though its theory is a part of it.
Hmm, the good ol' Kinds argument. Maybe you could help me decide which Kind man is in. Just remember the following:
Humans always begat humans. . . .
Primates alwyas begat primates . . .
Mammals always begat mammals. . .
Chordates always begat chordates . . .
Animals always begat animals . . .
Eukaryotes always begat eukaryotes . . .
Well, things with DNA, RNA, and protein always begat things with DNA, RNA, and protein. Hmm, I wonder how far back this "Kind" thing goes? Maybe you could tell me how I can draw a line between mammals and primates, just for a start.

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Loudmouth
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Message 62 of 107 (85224)
02-10-2004 8:48 PM
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02-10-2004 8:03 PM


Re: What Science Is
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You know I think it is funny how different species can copulate. Yet to me defining a species that can copulate and conceive of one another is kind of like lying. How do we define species that can not copulate or produce offspring of one another? You’d think that’s what species means
The only barrier to evolution is the creation of a new species. Speciation occurs when two populations that were previously able to produce fertile offspring are no longer able to. This has been observed. This isolates each of the populations genetic makeup and allows them to diverge. I see no other barrier to evolution, except for physical extremes (1,000 degree magma chambers for example). I have yet to see any creationist show how speciation can occur without the consequence of wildly divergent species over time. Creationist try to say their is a barrier, at the Kind Level, without ever defining what the kinds are. To say there is a barrier, or a bound, seems to be an assumption with nothing to back it up. An empty assertion. I see it a lot around here, and seem to be hypersensitive to it lately(keep feeding those trolls ). But anyway, just my whole view on the "genetic barrier" thing. The evidence is just to strong for me to ignore, no matter what my pride wants me to believe.

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Loudmouth
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Message 99 of 107 (86068)
02-13-2004 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 88 by Mammuthus
02-13-2004 9:23 AM


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There are actually many mitochondrial lines or variants that co-exist now.
Just curious about the diversity in human mito genomes. Perhaps you could post something in the Links/Info forum, might be more appropriate. If you don't have it handy, don't sweat it, just curious.

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