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Author Topic:   nested heirarchies as evidence against darwinian evolution
reiverix
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Message 72 of 248 (451750)
01-28-2008 4:36 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by randman
01-28-2008 4:27 PM


Re: thanks Elmer
So by your reasoning there should be unlimited phyla and the earth can support an infinite number of species?

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reiverix
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Message 74 of 248 (451755)
01-28-2008 4:42 PM
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01-28-2008 4:38 PM


Re: thanks Elmer
Just trying to make sense of your posts. It's like you think there are missing phyla.

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reiverix
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Message 225 of 248 (455203)
02-11-2008 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 224 by DogToDolphin
02-11-2008 12:14 PM


Re: patterns
The coelacanth found today is not the same species as the ancient coelacanth.
The big flaw in you argument is that you think being human is an endpoint in evolution. If you think all apes should evolve into humans then you must think that evolution favors humans and that humanity is a goal. On the same way of thinking all fish should evolve into a superfish and all reptiles should end up as supercrocodiles.
If this was to happen, there would be huge gaps in the food chain and the environment would have countless dead zones. In fact, these dead zones would be prime candidates for exploitation. We would expect species to adapt to the available habitats and thus, evolution goes on its nonpersonal way.

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reiverix
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Message 229 of 248 (455208)
02-11-2008 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 228 by DogToDolphin
02-11-2008 12:56 PM


Re: patterns
Wait, I am not talking about apes whatsoever here.
My bad. I should have replied to your previous post, where you pasted the original post, about apes.
If a part of the population changed, then I guess it wouldn't be called Coelacanth anymore.
Coelacanth is a genus. In your logic, a brown trout is a rainbow trout.
About humans, I guess we can say we are the ending point of evolution. Who or what is above humans right now? nothing IMO.
Exactly how are you defining human success?

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reiverix
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Message 233 of 248 (455223)
02-11-2008 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 230 by DogToDolphin
02-11-2008 1:18 PM


Re: patterns
The fact we're talking about such things is proof we're above (at least intellectually) everything that exists. Also the fact we talk, reason, use logic, derive conclusions, discover the world, use physics, chemistry etc...are pretty good proof of our superiority and dominion over the earth.
I'll grant you the fact that we are above the other species intellectually, but that does not make intellect the goal of evolution. It certainly doesn't make us the most successful species either.
Dominion is a double edged sword. We have been unable to eradicate malaria spreading mosquitos. Cities are full of rats and cockroaches against our wishes.
Don't you think? or maybe you'd rather be a fish or a bird of some kind? which is not bad in itself, but you will miss what makes life exciting.
I'm happy being human but I have no idea what goes through the mind of a fish or bird.

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reiverix
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Message 240 of 248 (455235)
02-11-2008 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 237 by DogToDolphin
02-11-2008 2:43 PM


Re: Subjectivity, subjectivity, subjectivity.
But then it's my opinion, but I quite don't understand why it's hard to admit we (humanity) are superior to the rest of the living world.
But you are still confusing intellect and success. It is doubtful we will have superior numbers than ants, yet our intellect far exceeds theirs.
Aren't you enjoying your time on the Internet, watching movies, write about things, philosophy and the list goes on...all those things you couldn't do if you were not human.
Yes, but most humans don't have those luxuries. Western life has clouded your perception of our species as a whole.
Anyway, the whole point is that intellect is not the goal of evolution. We are not the end point because evolution is not self aware.

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