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Author Topic:   But it takes so long to evolve
jar
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Message 3 of 54 (103583)
04-28-2004 11:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by mike the wiz
04-28-2004 8:45 PM


Yes, evolution takes a long time. If you need wings tomorrow, you will become extinct. Happened many times.
But I think you missunderstand how things happen.
Changes happen. They happen all the time. We are still evolving and will continue to do so.
Evolution is not driven by a journey. Instead, it just happens. A few creatures are born that are different then all their other kith, kin and kind. Because they are different, they may (or may not) have some small advantage that helps them survive. For example, maybe they can stand up straighter and so see predators sooner.
Often, the small change ALLOWS that subgroup to expand into new territory where they have a better chance of survival. It is not the move from one nitch to another that drives the change, but rather the change allows expansion into a less competitive nitch.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 16 of 54 (103717)
04-29-2004 10:56 AM
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04-29-2004 10:23 AM


So does it just happen? Is it a gradual change? Do we die out? Or do we evolve in a hundred years?
Yes it just happens. It is not directed or planned.
It is both sudden and gradual. The change happens suddenly. That change will be beneficial, harmful or neutral. If it is beneficial, for example it allows access to a new food source or movement into a new ecological nitch, then those animals that have that new ability will gradually become a different species. But the change was sudden. The reproduction until there are sufficient numbers to become a seperate population will take time.
If it is harmful, then that group will gradually die out.
Most of the changes will be neutral, for example eye color. In those cases the change will stick around.
And evolution can occur in brief periods, particularly during times of great population stress or sudden enviromental changes. Some good examples are the variety of birds found on isolated islands where species have rapidly evolved to fill the myrid of possible habitats. But it can also be slow like the evolution of the different species of Homo.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 20 of 54 (103770)
04-29-2004 1:45 PM
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04-29-2004 1:21 PM


In the past I just kind of tried to show evidence of a young earth and dealt with trying to debate geological stuff.
Gets tough sometimes doing that doesn't it.
But if it will help in anyway, just remember that not all the Evos here are those damed, twice and thrice damned Atheists. There are even a few of us Christians that might be called Evos. Remember, Evolution is not Rocket Surgery. Even us Christians can understand it.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 23 of 54 (103897)
04-29-2004 6:43 PM
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04-29-2004 6:36 PM


Many horrible things have been done in the name of Christianity.
If someone is really a Christian, IMHO they must understand it fully. They must understand the Good and the Bad.
Might well be a good thread.

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jar
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Message 24 of 54 (103899)
04-29-2004 6:45 PM
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04-29-2004 6:36 PM


Sorry, missed the question.
I guess you can join Truthlover and be put under "christian evo". How then do you justify being a chimp with your faith?
Chimp or Chump?

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jar
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Message 31 of 54 (103945)
04-29-2004 8:23 PM
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04-29-2004 8:19 PM


Mike
As a Christian, I certainly hope not. And I certainly haven't suggested that anyone should be punished for it.
But don't you think that far too many Christians really don't have a clue about the history of Christiantity.

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jar
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Message 33 of 54 (103955)
04-29-2004 8:40 PM
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04-29-2004 8:31 PM


Well, that's like saying your brother the crook is not really your brother.
Unfortunately, whether we like it or not, Luther, Hitler, King James, Queen Mary (both), Henry and such were Christians. We must condemn those things that they did which were wrong, but we can not simply deny that they were Christians.
And sure. The Narnia series is one of those things I've returned to about annually since they first came out. In fact, I find myself returning to Lewis increasingly these days.
But this is OT and maybe should be carried over to some other thread.

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