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Brad McFall
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Message 108 of 119 (88406)
02-24-2004 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by FliesOnly
02-24-2004 1:20 PM


Re: Loosing as likely as gaining - example
How can we use the "geneotype" (every past and any future in all present) for a measure of complexity? Did I glean the question correctly??
Here is a way-Complexty would be a sum of forms per any taxogeny enumerated across algebras of logical electron flow routes between thermal and mere contacts that connectivities of DNA,RNAandPROTEIN retain despite death. The "genotype" will be the sequence of DNA but the measure will involve the alegbra to simple program of the two 1-D categories in the life of any given clade dependent ONLY on the sequence of DNA serially associated with RNAs AND PROTEINS. The problem of "data" then is NOT about what passed DNA's sequences' were nor about what groups do not go extinct in the future but only on the set of electron transitivies in an abstract space for pairs of sums of periodic table of elements in physical continguity no matter the causal "agent". I only add a twist to currently recorded illustrations in science to effect this notion. The concept of information would NOT be defined in terms of "noise" but within, in this case the loss or gain of tail. I have some ideas about tails of tadpoles but the particular may not be this exemplar steped through
1)Perversions through the Pascal Arithemetical Triangle times the physiological activity of interactive DNARNAP undergoing an inversion to a thermal contact
2)This contact is connected by a coordinated 1-Dsymmetry among DNARNAPROTEINS (in community between -++-- and -->>--) formerly identical in a cardinally extensible 3Dspace of proteins(error in the current acceptance of the operon concept) as well as 1D--to-2D abstract space of RNA (also likely misuderstood kinematics of secondary structures) and DNA by electron flow and chemical bonds (here is where some physical ideas may also come true) and
3)Genetic regulation does not exist (as per only genotype in the measure of this complex) but pipulations can affect the topological r4elation of any perversion to couplable translations/transcriptions via nodes that can vary denumerably beyond the simplest dyad.
I clearly conceive the object of my type but it is not easy to figure out the best way to communicate it.The rate of readthrough may phase modultate -++- vs ->>- 1-D symmetry by thermal contact electron flow in the H2O bounding interactions to closed electrotonics' affordances( but wolfram could ( i doubt it) be more correct than me) and have NOTHING to do with Monod TIME (delta z over delta b) as the literature does "grammer" "If instead of pausing the ribosome were released and if there were no protector region, the preemptor would form and read-through would be the result of unfetterd translation."
I do not know however if flame spectra indeed work in this algothrim for complexity or not. If it does then there is little room for me to be grammetically mistaken at all lexoses. But Boole wrote "Whence passing from Logic to Algebra, we have at once Prob.w=a, a result which might have been anticipated. Substituting then for the numerator and denominator of the above fraction their values, we have for the a posteriori probability of a permanent cause, the expression..."
One must realize in this lingo more perhaps than just a Mendel 3:1. RATIO in fact less we learn to be less vocal about value here on EVC. It seemed very ODD to me that Mayr had to write the book "What evolution is" because should this cause exist then there may indeed be a why question in biology that can and in fact is answered without evolutionary theory being involved at all. But now my level of explanation spans all of chemistry physics and biology and is clearly not something a student would ever figure out on their own (mayr's own as standard of BIOLOGY)without trying to figure up a few pages of c/e on the net.
Growth may be addition and Development multiplication but it would have been wrong IN SCIENCE to seperate materially parts of the operon BEFORE working a tradeoff of cell death and differentiation. That is what science and not some doctor did. I think it(current non creationist science) is as worthwhile as the 50cent dues a month at the Hepetology club I formed in the 70s. Sure my club may not exist as long as this science but I am one guy and this lasted into my mid-life crisis.

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Brad McFall
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Message 111 of 119 (88414)
02-24-2004 3:34 PM
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02-24-2004 3:23 PM


Re: Loosing as likely as gaining - example
Flies, dont worry about the DUp but it really is not bla. I just dont have bla $ to explain to everyone at once how it can possible substitue for current literature's "The model for the association of repressor and operator consists of three dimensional diffusion along the DNA chain. Richter and Eigen(1974) have performed a theoretical treatment for the diffusion of a sphere(repressor) ttwoard a rod(DNA) under the influence of an electric field." MY work is simpler becuase I only USE ONLY 1-D. The work may not be bringing in dividends yet is clear as crystal in my mind.

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Brad McFall
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Message 114 of 119 (88916)
02-26-2004 7:05 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by Saviourmachine
02-26-2004 11:20 AM


Re: Morphological characteristics not exact enough
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If this was not the case, having two systems can be considered as more complex. Your confusing two mechanisms,
I am trying to work up a topologically conditioned version of the PATH that a Boscovich curve makes AS Cantor's MOTION in a discontinuous space such that on each "Side" of this curve inter alia null regions would permit the existence of actual infinites if not chemsitry at least in biology. The may exist in physcis sensu stricto as well. The argument against this existence is as you noted as MORE complex hence Russel only admitted aggregates and not unities. In "Boltzmann's Atom" Lindley deprecated "This is what Daniel Bernoulli first tried, in 1738, with his argument deriving pressure from a consideration of atomic motion. But even after that, in 1763, Roger Boscovich wrote an exposition called "Theoria Philosophia Naturalis in which he offered an atomic theory that relied on essentially stationary atoms. Boscovich, a peripatetic philosopher-priest of Serbo-Croatian origins, argued that at a very short range,atoms attracted each other: that is why a piece of cloth soaked up water. At a somewhat longer range, however, atoms pushed each other away: that is why a gas exerted pressure. Boscovich's account, though it has some modern elements, also illustrates why atomic theory was not taken seriously by many scientists for such a long time. Rather than imagining atoms as having certain properties,and seeking to draw conclusions about their behavior, he instead gave the atoms whatever properties he needed in order to explain the phenomena he addressed. This put into practical terms Newton's suggestion..."This is however quite in harmony with intelligent design.One can not miss in the same book, "While still an undergraduate, Einstein wrote..."Boltzmann is quite magnificent...I am completely persuaded by the correctness of the principles of the theory, that the question really is about the movement of [atoms] according to certain conditions." Thus I think indeed Sylas is off the mark in another thread.
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But in nature, the old systems that aren't used will disappear isn't it?
This I think is the question that my work has put back in question. I have not yet had the chance of working in the physical implication that is becoming less dual and more or less duplicit.
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the mechanism for opening the front door, and the mechanism for translating the blueprint to the opening door system
I am nary near to describing how to make a "landscape" chart with the periodic table of elements to rescribe where these physical connections would go should it APPEAR that there is more than one( thus they would only "appear" to disappear. I am still working on the philosophy that Bertrand Russell put in this way of an aggregate of hydrogen, helium,...when he denied for the benefit of the HISTORY of LOGIC that inifinte unites can not exist. There may be MORE than two "mechanisms" chemically but I am first only interested in the application of Wrights "SHIFITING" balance theory trial and error process as a function of the 'element city'. It may not comport with Creationist issues on rates of decay. I just dont know at this point. Once I get it worded out this far it will be available to resolve SOME issues that seperate GOULD and Dawkins factually should the empirical post theory be committed but first the other quotes. I need to do al of these things so that the same criticsm Lindley layed legally on Boscovich IS what was illegally laid on me.
So once I avoid the legit criticism I hope to explain how indeed there could be strict ordertype connections among the tabled elements that ARE what Faraday meant with the word "contiguous" and were within what Maxwell denoted as "mild" and IS a property of biology that Bohr asked in NIELS BOHR A CENTENARY VOLUME"One of the most debated applications of complementarity was Bohr's attempt to formulate the problem of life in these terms. In a celebrated talk given in 1932, he ventured the idea that the phenomena of life and teh validity of physics and chemsitry are contradictions that could be seen in the light of complementarity, in the sense that any attempt to verify in all the validity of physics in a living cell would necessarily kill the cell and detroy the object of investigation
Thus, a new and different stat of matter might exist, which never would lead to a situtation at variance with the laws of physics but still outside..."
If the flame spectra fundamental series work out the subject will not be destroyed but programmed cell death will intervene in that place of aquousity but Bohr's comment will be a subset within Russel's senses and rotting death while ID is outside this yet again. WOlfram's claims about irreducibility and Monod's concerns about universality of the operon supply the object around Bohr's notion so the last sentence does not apply that I did not quote if I am correct that actual infinite baraminolgical unities exist.

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Brad McFall
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From: Ithaca,NY, USA
Joined: 12-20-2001


Message 119 of 119 (179660)
01-22-2005 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by Saviourmachine
03-01-2004 11:55 AM


Re: Morphological characteristics not exact enough
Bantam Matrix Edition books came out with space, time, and mathematics edited by Robert W, Marks which contained under title of The Future of Mathematics a heading called CANTORISM. It said,
quote:
I have spoken above of the need we have of returning continually to the first principles of our science, and of the advantage of this process to the study of the human mind. It is this need which has inspired two attempts which have held a very great place in the most recent history of mathematics. The first is Cantorism, and the services it has rendered to the science are well known. Cantor introduced into the science a new method of considering mathematical infinity One of the characteristic features of Cantorism is that, instead of rising to the general by erecting more and more complicated constructions, and defining by construction, it starts with the genus supremum and only defines, as the scholastics would have said, per genus proximum et differntiam specificam . Hence the horror he has sometimes inspired in certain minds, such as Hermite’s , whose favourite idea was to compare the mathematical with the natural sciences. For the greater number of us these prejudices had been dissipated, but it has come about that we have run against certain paradoxes and apparent contradictions, which would have rejoiced the heart of Zeno of Elea and the school of Megara. Then began the business of searching for a remedy, each man his own way. For my part I think, and I am not alone in so thinking, that the important thing is never to introduce any entities but such as can be completely defined in a finite number of words. Whatever be the remedy adopted, we can promise ourselves the joy of the doctor called in to follow a fine pathological case.
The genetic code writes WITHOUT this finite understanding in the sense Weinberg denies to reality wrongly religously, insofar as the language and information metaphor is naturally analogous. It was no joy to have been the patient of this doctor. I was.
I hvae begun to synthesize Maxwell's electrotonic *tube* and Gladyshev's *chromatographic coluummn* given that Maxwell provisioned the actual relation between heat and electricity homologically not analogically only related to Einstein's notion of particulate temperature functionality. "The laws of the conduction of heat in uniform media appear ... We have only to substitute...and a problem in attractions is transformed into that of a problem in heat."
I have not yet been able to retrodict given proximate biology but I have the formal outline if such is. This is biophysics. Whether Cantorism is sufficiently necessary will depend on if I am correct about Croizat's perception of minimization or not. The use of infnity will exist should the physics require but Maxwell.
"As we cannot perform the required integrations when a, b, c, are discontinuous functions of x,y,z, the following method,which is pefectly general though more complicated , may idicate more clearly the truth of the proposition.
Let ABC be determined...aer never infinite and vanish when x, y, of z us infinite...the only solution of the equation is."
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