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Author Topic:   What i can't understand about evolution....
Wounded King
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Message 297 of 493 (493370)
01-08-2009 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 293 by Percy
01-08-2009 10:58 AM


Re: Macro-evolution sans fossils!
You're not specific about which fruit fly experiments you're referring to
Probably because no such experiments exist. There are lots of mutational experiments on flies in the literature but I have never come across any where the purpose was to produce beneficial mutations or create a new species of fly.
Mutational screens are designed with the intention of detecting mutations with effects on the phenotype and almost all of these will be deleterious, because it is far easier to cause significant damage to a genetic system by random mutagenesis than to improve it and easier still to detect many such damaging mutations. It is doubtful that any beneficial mutation would present itself in a highly visible way from simple morphology, unlike a large number of deleterious mutations which can produce highly dramatic morphological changes.
So it is unsurprising that mutational screens fail to find what they aren't designed to look for.
I don't know what creationist site it is that sells people on this rubbish argument, but it is so prevalnet that it has to be coming from some common source, I can't imagine so many people thing up such a stupid argument reliant on complete ignorance of the subject on their own.
The classical mutational screen would be the Nusslein-Volhard and Wieschaus screen for embryonic lethal mutations in drosophila, which the astute will realise was designed to detect mutations which were lethal to the organism while it was still embryonic. I'm not sure how creationists expect such screens to detect beneficial mutations.
TTFN,
WK

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Wounded King
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Message 413 of 493 (494335)
01-15-2009 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 408 by Peg
01-15-2009 8:56 AM


Randomness of evolution
i will try and find it...its in this thread i think...probably early pages, i jsut remember it because it was a reply to one of my comments about why evolution happens sometimes but not all the time and you said that its not purposeful or directional...
That isn't quite the same as saying it is random. After all what you were replying to with this example was Helper saying ...
Evolution is not random. It has no ultimate goal but natural selection gives a short term direction to the process.
I'm pretty sure that the extent of Bluescat48's statement was that 'There is no direction in evolution', see Message 265.
He then went on to say 'Changes that make a species more likely to survive will be passed on to future generations.' which is the sort of short term directionality Helper was describing.
TTFN,
WK

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