EvC Forum: Transhumanism vs. Natural Selection: Playing God in the post-Darwinian era?

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jar

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Message 14 of 33 (217402)
06-16-2005 12:59 PM

Reply to: Message 12 by NosyNed
06-16-2005 2:33 AM

Re: Already started?

I think this shows a misunderstanding of what is going on. Each one of the 6 billion of us is a tiny experiment in selection. There are countless things going on that we don't see.

That briefly touches on one of my pet themes.

"Will we recognize an evolved human?"

For example, if a new way of correlating input, a new way of thinking, arose that let someone outthink others, wouold we even realize that a significant change had happened? Or would we simply ascribe it to being smater or luckier than others?

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Message 22 of 33 (223102)
07-11-2005 9:22 AM

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07-11-2005 7:23 AM

Re: IQ inheritability

How would you test for potential IQ scores?

Well, right now the answer is "We don't know." But as we learn more about the actual mechanisms involved, it's possible that one day we will know.

The question that really needs to be asked is "Once more is known about the mechanisms, what should be done?"

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Message 26 of 33 (223240)
07-11-2005 7:58 PM

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07-11-2005 6:41 PM

Positing untestable effects with no understood mechanism is usually a good indication of pseudoscience.

Don't believe I did. Perhaps you can point out where I said that.

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Message 28 of 33 (223254)
07-11-2005 8:27 PM

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07-11-2005 8:07 PM

Actually what I said was ...

Well, right now the answer is "We don't know." But as we learn more about the actual mechanisms involved, it's possible that one day we will know.

The question that really needs to be asked is "Once more is known about the mechanisms, what should be done?"

Now you can try to re-interpret that anyway you want but I certainly don't see how you can find where I'm "trying to cram a reified IQ (often referred to as g) into the spaced between our knowledge."

I do think though that the question I asked is one that should be debated.

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