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Author | Topic: Yahweh and Amen, Christian God and Truth. Coincidence with Pagan Religions? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
hoaryhead  Inactive Member |
Who was there to hear "Yahweh" pronounced by Moses in 1635 BC?
Only a college professor would dupe the people into believing he has the correct pronunciation. However, the Bible presents the holy name so that it can be pronounced unmistakably in every language today. HYHA - I Am.HWHY = He Is. The Septuagint claims the victory for removing God's names from their Bible translation. They also changed "plural Gods" (Father/Son; Elohim), into "singular God (El) - 2,300 times. The Hebrew person indicators for verbs are:A = I. N/Y = He. H/T = she. T = you. W--Y = they. "He Is Gods" (Yahweh, Elohim). hoaryhead
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pop  Inactive Member |
Trinity is a lie it is a fabricated lie made by late hands in the bible I have proofs for any one wants.I hope I hear some replies.
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4140 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
I'm curious to see what this has to do with the OP.
where did he talk about the trinity?
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
I heard that there are A, I, U, E, O, 5 vowel sounds in Hebrew, but E and O sounds was later introduced and included in the Hebrew language. The Name YHWH is supposed to be His highest emanation and so even attempting to pronounce it was and is considered very taboo. As you already stated, the proper anunciation has been lost, but it is believed to sound something akin to "ee-ah-ooh-ay." "There is not in all America a more dangerous trait than the deification of mere smartness unaccompanied by any sense of moral responsibility." -Theodore Roosevelt
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ramoss Member (Idle past 641 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
And here I thought it was pronouced "E I E I O"
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jaywill Member (Idle past 1970 days) Posts: 4519 From: VA USA Joined: |
The Name YHWH is supposed to be His highest emanation and so even attempting to pronounce it was and is considered very taboo. Now that is interesting. The word "taboo" is Tahitian. I didn't know the South Sea Islands off the coast of the Americas had any influence over the ancient Hebrews. You see the word game can go in practically any direction you want. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.
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tudwell Member (Idle past 6008 days) Posts: 172 From: KCMO Joined: |
quote: That's just silly.
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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3627 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: |
Pointing out the goyish etymology of the word 'taboo' is a cheeky bit of wit, but no real problem exists from this. It's a legitimate word in English and describes a feature of all human cultures. Every culture has its taboos.
If we're going to put that word in play, though, let's recognize its defining characteristic: it marks an absolute within the culture. There's no such thing as 'very taboo' or 'slightly taboo.' An act is taboo or it isn't. The Jewish disinclination, then taboo, regarding the speaking out loud of the name of Yahweh took place in the period 'between the testaments.' A glimpse at any passage from the Hebrew Scriptures (Tanakh) shows no one flinching from speaking the proper name of the Hebrew deity. No prohibition on speaking the name appears in the Torah. But by the time the curtain rises in the NT on events in the first century CE, the custom is in place. _ Archer All species are transitional.
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Jon Inactive Member |
Was the pronunciation of Yahweh and Amen just a linguistic coincidence among those who speaks different languages? Or Was there some underlying theories about it? Any opinions on this matter? What does the word Amen have to do with God? The Egyptian god's name is written to be pronounced: Im'n'n (short I, like bit). Ammun was his Greek name, as far as I know. Often he was associated with Zues, but I've never known him to be associated with the Christian God. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong. J0N
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Jon Inactive Member |
Going back to the topic again, I heard that Iah or Ya was a Egyptian moon God or goat God. Example on the web: Answers - The Most Trusted Place for Answering Life's Questions Not even your source agrees with your statement. Just read it more carefully.
quote: You see the problem? This "jah" of yours is the name for the moon, and the deities themselves are different. Oh, and pointing out simply word similarities is pointless, since I believe both languages are of the same family... I believe... J0N
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jaywill Member (Idle past 1970 days) Posts: 4519 From: VA USA Joined: |
Nevermind. I have nothing yet.
Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
Now that is interesting. The word "taboo" is Tahitian. I didn't know the South Sea Islands off the coast of the Americas had any influence over the ancient Hebrews. Hmmmm. You do realize that for every word in one language, it has the same meaning in another. Hebrews likely didn't have the word taboo, nor did I claim they used this word. However, there is no doubt that they have a word that is synonymous with the Tahitian/English word, 'taboo.' "The weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God." -2nd Corinthians 10:4-5
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
Pointing out the goyish etymology of the word 'taboo' is a cheeky bit of wit, but no real problem exists from this. It's a legitimate word in English and describes a feature of all human cultures. Every culture has its taboos. That's just it though... If you go back and read what I said, juxtaposed by what he claimed, you'll see that I said nothing remotely about the etymology of the word 'taboo.' I was speaking about the proper enunciation of the word "YHWH.'
If we're going to put that word in play, though, let's recognize its defining characteristic: it marks an absolute within the culture. There's no such thing as 'very taboo' or 'slightly taboo.' An act is taboo or it isn't. This is pointless semantics. Are you saying there is not levels of taboo? Are you saying that someone with a penchant to burp loudly in a restaurant is less taboo than someone with a penchant for eating the waiters feces at that same restaurant? That would like saying that there aren't different levels of being wet. Having a glass of water splashed in your lap is less wet than being immersed in a river. Why should something taboo be any different?
The Jewish disinclination, then taboo, regarding the speaking out loud of the name of Yahweh took place in the period 'between the testaments.' A glimpse at any passage from the Hebrew Scriptures (Tanakh) shows no one flinching from speaking the proper name of the Hebrew deity. No prohibition on speaking the name appears in the Torah. But by the time the curtain rises in the NT on events in the first century CE, the custom is in place. Then where did HaShem come from? Why only say, "The Name" instead of actually sounding out His name? You may be right in saying that it wasn't always taboo, perhaps in Moses'/Aaron's day, but it is now, and has been for a long time. And if you don't believe me go into just about any Temple and see the horror on their faces. It seems like a silly custom to me, but they take that very seriously. Its as if they believe that humans don't have the right to utter the ineffable. "The weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God." -2nd Corinthians 10:4-5
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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3627 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: |
n_j: That's just it though... If you go back and read what I said, juxtaposed by what he claimed, you'll see that I said nothing remotely about the etymology of the word 'taboo.' I was validating your use of the word. My comment about the etymology of the word 'taboo' referred to the retort you got from jaywill. Sorry I was not more clear.
Are you saying there is not levels of taboo? Yes. Taboo means 'something we never do.' It marks a cultural absolute. You can imagine some behaviors in this category that would be crazier than others, some more damaging than others, but all are taboo. Incest is taboo in most cultures. Killing innocent persons is taboo.
Are you saying that someone with a penchant to burp loudly in a restaurant is less taboo than someone with a penchant for eating the waiters feces at that same restaurant? Showing degree of disapproval actually requires more words. We can say behavior is thoughtless, inappropriate, impolite, improper, rude, boorish, unethical, amoral, immoral, and illegal. The terminal station on that track is taboo. Burping is rude. Eating feces is taboo.
This is pointless semantics. It's English usage. In context it was not off-topic because someone else had called attention to the etymology of the same word. I offered my comments for the good of the order because I find it an interesting word. But none of this has a material bearing on the argument, no. You are right to describe speaking the name Yahweh as taboo among speakers of Hebrew. I just mentioned that the taboo emerged; for centuries there was no taboo. But for over two thousand years or so one has been observed, as you say.
You may be right in saying that it wasn't always taboo, perhaps in Moses'/Aaron's day, but it is now, and has been for a long time. And if you don't believe me go into just about any Temple and see the horror on their faces. It seems like a silly custom to me, but they take that very seriously. Its as if they believe that humans don't have the right to utter the ineffable. Sure. I'm sure you've also run across spellings like 'G-D' which come from the same impulse. ___ Edited by Archer Opterix, : whatever. Archer All species are transitional.
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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3627 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: |
Hebrews likely didn't have the word taboo, nor did I claim they used this word. However, there is no doubt that they have a word that is synonymous with the Tahitian/English word, 'taboo.' No doubt. I'd take a look at the expressions rendered in English as 'abomination' or 'detestable.' ___
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