Surrendering to Jesus/God is Not Biblical

God/Jesus would not imply something and not mean it literally. That's what the devil tells people. The bible is literal. There is more but from the original question it appears you have a genuine interest in finding out the truth. One example shoud suffice. If that does not speak of surrendering you probably just don't want to believe it. And in that case you never will.

My parents had certain serious rules of the house. If I broke them I get kicked out. If I got to a point where I'm tired of the rules I could also choose to leave. My father always told me "You ain't gone do what you want in my house!!!!!!" They always told me they would not stop loving me I just would have to leave.God's love is unconditional; but you "ain't" gone stay in his house until you give up your own will (trying to do what you want). My father told me to surrender he just used different words. God and my father both wanted total submission. Thankfully they both only have a few rules. I say full will because like God, if my father added/changed the rules I still had to follow the revisions. Basically I had to do what he wanted me to do in his house. Fortunately he also wanted me to have a life. In the case that he didn't want me to have a life(raking leaves when I'm supposed to be at the movies); he still wanted me to obey. That's surrendering.God always loves you even the ones who are going to hell. You "ain't" gone stay in his kingdom and not listen. The prodigal son is a good example. The father loved and missed the son obviously. He just could not stay there until he surrendered.I do believe when he returned he did what ever his father wanted him to do. And I know some of you had parents who would have gave in and just let you back in. God is not a man that he should lie.Edited by AdminPhat, : fixed paragraph

I read this late but had to say:Not if the life you get after surrendering is better than the life you had before. I saw a cowboy movie(I know it's a movie but could still happen) where a woman got kidnapped, SURRENDERED, and found true happiness. I'm sure she had plenty of time to escape after that; she didn't. My dog surrendered. I showed up one day, threw him in my car, and took him home. I kept him in the house so he wouldn't RUN AWAY. While he was in the house, I loved him, gave him food/water, kept him clean and scratched him from time to time. He surrendered the first day I got him (trust me he's an 85 pound pit bull named Fatboy he had to surrender).He soon realized that he was better off staying with me than on his own. Staying with me means that he has to pooh WHERE I SAY, sit WHERE/WHEN I SAY, have sex WHERE/WHEN I SAY, eat WHAT I ALLOW, and play with me only WHEN I SAY. He listens very well. He's also had numerous chances to get away(my neighbors hate this trust me); strangely enough he doesn't try to get away.If he gets loose he comes back on his OWN FREE WILL and chooses to listen to what I say. Now I know some will say the choice is obvious for my dog because it's so much better for him; But I tell you after surrendering to God myself, the choice is just that obvious with me.I sure it would be the same for you. When/if your life gets bad enough just remember the way out. Surrender to God. You can always escape later. I bet you won't.Edited by AdminPhat, : fixed paragraphs

Not too great. I'm a radical. ABSOLUTELY NOT!! But God does. I willingly go to church. But that's willingly surrendering to what God wants me to do. God created us with free will he will never take that from us. You do get punished (you may choose to say suffer the consiquences of your own actions for God will not punish you for what you didn't do) for making wrong choices. That's what my church don't like sometimes. God does I believe. Phat you do have to think for yourself. God just wants you to choose to think about what he wants you to. He's not going to make you though.Edited by b b, : explain

Good point if YOU believe the campaign is over. If you believe this then I will enter the campaign. I will tell you in this adulterous sinful generation that whoever is ashamed of Yeshua and his word from God (who is timeless), the Son of Man will also be ashamed of him when he comes in the glory of Our Father with his holy angels. LOL! What a foolish way of thinking. You are right on this point. He asked them to surrender to God being that he often stated that he surrendered to God. His will is now the Father's Will. The bible never said the mission was urgent. You or somebody you met put this in there as a way of justifing yourself. He wanted total submission to where your dead or your living should not ever be more important than God's will.

A book does have a main point it is trying to make but is that the only point in the book. Do you really expect anyone in the RELIGION section to really believe you summed up 59 verses in one sentence. If God let you write the bible it would be the size of an elementary story book. Every sentence in the bible is put there for a reason. You can't disregard one sentence by summing up 59 VERSES!!? Come on!?

He will still love those he sends to Hell. You won't get into heaven until your will is his. You have your entire life to decide. If your father told you he would kick you out of the house for coming home late one more time and didn't do it or let you back in after 2 weeks, then he lied to you. God is not a man that he should/can/will(pick one) lie. Your father never stopped loving you and your Father, likewise, never stopped loving you either. He's just not going to lie to show you love. He will actually kick you out. His love is still there and remains unconditional. If you repent, he will, like the prodical son, let you back in. You can't just say you repent though because he knows your heart/thoughts. His love IS unconditional; you staying "Home"(in heaven) is conditional. In a way he does want to run it for you. He just wants you to ask him to. My mom gave birth to me and trust me she WANTS to run my life. If I thought she knew everything I would let her, eventually after messing it up. God does know everything and he will run your life if you ask him to. Try it and see. Of course again, He knows your heart/thoughts so you would have to mean it. Your mother, I pray she's still here pardon me if she isn't, will run your life also if you ask her. God can and will (if asked) run your life better than you and everybody you know put together.I agree that he doesn't want you to give up all thought. He designed you with purpose in mind. What ever you are doing in your life is "Similar" to what he wants you to do. If you are a scientist, he wants you to be His scientist because he created you to be a scientist. He wants to be that ONE you ask for advice and direction. He wants to be that only voice you listen to. This is what me and most churches disagree on. I believe "the church" is mainly supposed to introduce you to God. He will do the rest. Once you give him permission to change your heart and mind, You won't have to CHANGE anything. He will just take away those desires. Sometimes painless and other times painful. Sometimes he uses life situations to change your desires. The church don't really agree with this totally either. I'm not telling anyone surrendering to a church is what He wants. God wants you to surrender your life/will for your life(pick one again) to Him. If I guide your every steps through life, I'm really running it. If your mother tells you EVERY decission you "should" make(some mothers do this) and you decide to make them, you are choosing(free will) to let her run your life. God wants to advise you on every situation in your life; he still wants you to ask him on every situation.
Experiment:
Next time your faced with a difficult situation say something like "God which should I choose?" One choice will get "UNUSUALLY" clear. Test it, this works. Surrendering to God is like turning on the CHEAT CODE(video gamers understand) in real life. Life's Game Shark.

I AM. I don't know about YOUR father, but part of God's will is for you to surrender. So yes, to follow God's will is to surrender. Jesus said My father and I are one. They were not physically the same being. Jesus surrendered his will to his Father. They were of one will. Likewise, through Christ, my Father and I are ONE. The kingdom of God was right before them. Yeshua was that kingdom. They were arguing with it much like you are. "No man knows the day or hour" including Christ(you should know, he tells us this). Maybe you missed that part. He was not saying what you believe. We are all the children of men. Only God knows(ever knew) when the end was. John the Baptize preached the same message, "Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand." All of Jesus's disciples gave up their lives(most gave their lives literally). They all preached his same message after he was gone. Most were killed because of this. Do you believe that after seeing their leader executed that they did not know they would suffer the same fate. Now does your mind tell you they wanted to do this? The campaign never stopped after Christ left the earth. And whether you agree or not I am surrendering(not completed yet) my life and will carry the same message until Paradise is restored and my Lord is here. The kingdom of God is again at hand. Let my life be an example to you. Let his disciples' death be an example to you. Let the martrys' (who died for God) be an example to you. Let the Jews who died in the Holocaust be an example to you, for all of the above has surrendered. You can tell who surrendered by there actions when facing death. Surrendering to God is when you would GLADLY lay down your life for God.

You must surrender(give up) before you can ever truly repent from sin. God allows people to get to a point where they are tired of living the way there life is going. Some get to that point sooner than others. Some never do. That's the question I answered.
If I tell you to disown yourself for me, I mean surrender. Ya'll like to play on words. The bible will never make sense to you. Also how is it that the same people who have the most to say in the science rooms feel they know the Word of God better than creationist. Ya'll three are not an authority here. If you don't believe that bible why should anyone in this room believe that you read and understand any of it. You may have read some of it, but one can not understand the bible until one believes it. Jesus's message was eternal. The son of God surely knew we would read what he said. That'll send you to hell to say nope to God's will. You cannot disobey God by twisting scriptures. You know what he wants from you. Your life will go downhill from here. Until you repent(regret AND change) for saying No to God. You don't have to be afraid, this will happen anyway. When you've had enough, just say "God I'm sorry, I surrender."

All you do is list what you think. You have not supported this rebutal with scripture. As a matter of fact, creationists list there scriptures and you break the rules by just attacking them with why you don't think it means that. If the rules are to list scriptures here, then no one should post without a biblical scripture to back up what they are saying. In post 132 there is no scripture.

1)If they are truly saved. They aren't truly saved if they turn back.2)I give up more and more each day. I believe God will take you once you totally change so everyday, every breathe should bring you closer to God. I have surrendered totally but He(not the church) is going to rearrange my life and thoughts. So my change is still happening as long as I live. See I once was at a point in my life where I wanted to kill myself. This was because I was not happy at where my life ended up. I decided instead to give up or surrender. I am truly happy now. This doesn't mean I have no problems; it just means I don't look at them as a problems. The fight is no longer my fight. I surrendered all. If he wants my life to be great; then he must do it. If he wants me to be a janitor, then I will. Any opposition against me is not against me but against God. You can not get into heaven by DOING anything. You can open ten churches, 40 charities, and end world hunger and end up in hell. The only way to heaven is to surrender to God. Once you surrender, you may still want to do these great things, but that's not what gets you to heaven. It's the surrendering part.Edited by b b, : clarify

Another post without scripture to back it. Beating the prodical son(which is a good example) to death with your own words is not showing scripture. Someone else listed the prodical son. You just justified your beliefs by twisting what they wrote. According to the rules(backing with scripture) these post should be all offense with scripture; you are playing defense using your words. List your own scriptures; don't just attack other scriptures. Showing a scripture where he clearly says not to surrender to him is the only thing you should be doing. You can't so you just wait for someone to list a scripture and say "that's not what that means." Edited by b b, : No reason given.

Yes Study what? Not science. Study his word. I never told you anything about a pastor or evangelist. If you are against them, just read the bible and seek God. I told you most churches don't agree with what I say. This is because I don't agree with what they say. I did not surrender to them. God never asked us to surrender to a church. He did tell us to surrender to him. Believe me, what I tell you DID NOT come from any pastor or evangelists. I read for myself AND PRAYED FOR UNDERSTANDING(something most of you never did; and if you did, don't stop). I told you, I'm a rebel. I felt just as you do and still do. I'm just as smart as any preacher if not smarter. I stopped going to church for a few years. That's when I actually got close to God. You don't have to take my word, do it yourself. You all seem very smart. Read it for yourself. Read it to know the truth, not just to be right. If your motives/heart is not right, you will never understand it. This goes for pastors as well. You don't have a full understanding of the Word of God. You only think you do. You, I, and anyone else will not get a full understanding of the Word of God until you die. So keep reading. I actually agree with most of your posts PHAT. I don't believe the church I believe God. When the bible differs from what you were taught in church, go with the bible. You can quit going to church when you don't agree, but don't quit God. He won't quit you. He will always be there waiting on you to let him show you the answers to life. Surrender because he's not going to tell everyone. Don't you wanna be wiser than everyone here. I said surrendering to God is like the cheat code, but using God is not cheating because everyone can, if they surrender, submit.

I have shown that. You show where here clearly states I'm wrong. You just keep saying I'm wrong without scripture to back it. To disown yourself is to surrender. The only people who seem to disagree are people who probably don't believe in God anyway. Also yielding to God's(not just any better course of action) course of action is to quit doing what you want to do which is surrendering. You don't just want to stop sinning; we only stop sinning because he wants us to. Surrendering your will is giving up control of your life. To disown yourself is to surrender your will. Every one here understood this discussion to be of the bible which is spiritual. Above is the spiritual definition of surrender. From here on out, when we speak of surrender in the RELIGION(spiritual) section this is what is meant. The other definition may be used in the science section. Oh by the way. Once again you guys just babble. How do you start a discussion on spirtual surrender, argue with everyone who decided to enlighten you with the truth, and never have an understanding of what spiritual surrender means? Ringo's sooo good at meanings and uses of words, she surel must know this.

And that is the level you are on. I thought like that. You will go to heaven or paradise for living like this. Eventually, I got to the point where I told God to take as much control of my life as he sees fit. That's what spiritual surrender is. This means no matter how much I might believe something is right; I will not listen to my self, but to what He wants for me. Put yourself under God's scrutiny which may actually be what you call self scrutiny. That little feeling that you may be doing something wrong, I believe that's God not your mind. I believe we are sometimes harder on ourselves than God is.Edited by b b, : No reason given.