Does the Bible say the Earth was created in 6 days, 6000 years ago?

Not every version of creationism, Granny. I don't know how familiar you are with my creationist version as per a literal reading of Genesis one.Genesis 1 uses the term, "evening and morning." Before day five when the sun and moon were completed, the evening and mornings were not determined by the sun and moon since they did not yet exist according to the Biblical record. Thus there is no recorded measurement of days one through four since we don't know how long it took to create the sun and the moon on day four. The record says the sun and moon determined the days years and seasons etc. Obviously the days before these existed were determined by the Spirit of God who was the member of the trinity there doing the work.The Buzsaw Hypothesis reasons that a great amount of heat was applied to the planet on day one to evaporate/separate the waters below the firmament from the waters above the firmament (atmosphere) and the reason no sun and moon before day four is that God wanted time and heat desired to do the work of the previous days.Verse one of Genesis begins with the introductory statement that whenever the heavens and earth were created, God did it. Then it proceeds into God's work in preparing the planet for life etc as Peg as stated.So not all so called literal interpretations of Genesis claimed by creationists are YEC.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

1. I would hope anyone reading Genesis one could figure out that if you have no mechanism in place to effect the 24 hour evening and morning until day five, the length of the first days would be undetermined. That's being literal to the information provided in the text.2. Read Joshua 10:14. By Jehovah's providence, the day was longer than 24 hours, yet it was called a day, i.e. evening and morning. No we're not talking ages in Genesis. It's evening/night and morning daylight. The length of each is unable to be determined as it would have been for the purpose of effecting the work of preparing the planet for life. For example it would have taken a lot of heat to evaporate enough water into the atmosphere to create it and effect the forming of the land and sea, etc. But we don't know how long the day had gone until the work of day four was finished. So yes, it took less than all of day four, but until the sun and moon were completed, the sun and moon would not determine the length of day four.Not until day five when the sun and moon were finished can we be sure that there was a 24 hour day. Assuming I'm right, what terminology would you expect for something unusual? It would be like Joshua's long day. It would be one evening and morning. Nothing in the Hebrew states emphatically that an evening and a morning must be 24 hours.quote:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That's what Genesis 1 says. The earth came first and the oceans were formed second. There were no seas and no continents until the watery mix of earth and water were separated after heat/light came. The record states clearly that seas were created after the formless void earth was created. Earth first, water second, Rrhain. Check! Is this a first, or what?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Rrhain:1. Earth = Planet Earth in Genesis one. That's the name of our planet; Earth.2. Joshua's long day is relevant to this debate. It proves that a day need not be 24 hours in the Hebrew language. The text calls that long day "day."3. You choose to ignore my argument that there was nothing in place before there was a sun and moon to determine the 24 hour day. That's your prerogative, but so long as we are at an impasse on that it's useless to continue knocking our heads together on that count.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Thanks for making my point, lyx2no and thanks for your input. I haven't noticed you around for a spell.Yes, they said the other long day was different than normal days. By the same token the 1st five creation days were also not like any other days. There was no causative sun/moon factor to establish the length of them.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Thanks Bluescat. And of course, that or evenings and mornings would be the only words in their vocabulary to use in either describing the events or referral to them, since there would be no sense in adding special new words to the vocabulary just for those few unusual days recorded in the Biblical record.There is no question but that the first 5 days were extremely unusual given that there would have been no sun/moon the first four days and that the fifth day would not have had a completed sun/moon for the entire duration of the day.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

1. Like you and everyone else, I don't know for certain. I'm being logical in hypothesizing that days without a complete solar system, having no sun would have been unusual.2. As I recall, your uncle was a tad better at spelling and grammar.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Rrhain's problems:1. Earth/planet, without form, came before seas and dry land were formed.2. Geologists weren't there to state, empirically, one way or the other. Rrhain's problems:1. When the waters were evaporated to form the atmosphere, the seas and dry land were created, i.e. cause and effect.2. Geologists were not there to empirically confirm their interpretation of prehistoric events.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

No, of course not. As you should recall, your message did not distinguish from planet Earth and earth/soil/dry land. No, of course not. The waters were separated and essential evaporation was consummated before the seas and dry land were formed. I have yet to hear a rock talk but I'm aware of a lot of conjectured water geology.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Rrhain, it's quite impossible to reason with your nonsense. Most of what you concoct up to suit your fancy is not worth the time for response.This is a good example. Planet earth was already in place by day one of the beginning of work days on the planet.Verse 3 doesn't even mention earth or land. It's all about light and darkness. There was no dry land on planet earth until day 9 when the land and sea were separated via creation of the firmament and that had to have been done by evaporation unless you choose to (abe: defy logic). Edited by Buzsaw, : Rephrase

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

This is not the fundi position. In fact, the earth is not even mentioned in verse 3 as Rrhain appears to be claiming. The YEC fundi position is that the earth was created in verse 1.That, however, is not the OEC position I have been debating with Rrhain which pertained to my comments about his MO. My postion has always been that planet earth was in place long before the Genesis six day creation work began, the age of the unimproved void planet being unknown and likely very old.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

"In the beginning" means just that. It means whenever anything in the universe, i.e. heavens, and the earth, were created, God did it. That's all that phrase says. It gives no information as to the time when anything was created or when the work began on planet earth.Perhaps that is also ICant's position, though not stated well here. It appears that way as I understand his position. ICant can correct me if mistaken.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

My comment pertained to this statement: "First one would have to believe the creation story given in Genesis 1:2-2:3 is the original creation. Which it isn't."I believe that was what Percy had a problem with. Perhaps it could have been worded more clearly. That's all. I think you clarified your position quite well later.You and I hold similar positions on some aspects of Genesis 1 which is not YEC.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Rrhain, clearly what you're doing here is playing obfuscative word games for the sake of argument. Verse 2 says the "...earth was...", i.e. planet Earth was... The same goes with verse 1 where the word earth applies to planet Earth, the void unworked planet called Earth. That is the proper name for planet earth, i.e. it's name. Earth can also be applied to the soil/land portion of planet Earth. Get it, Rrhain?? Get it?? Comprende??ABE: Planet Earth, i.e. the void planet of verse one included both soil and water, i.e. flooded soil/earth.In verse 9 the dried land is also called earth as in the dry portion of planet Earth, i.e. the portion above sea level.This is what I mean when I say you're making no sense. The logic cog in your belfry gear box is totally stripped out so that the bell in your belfry is non functional. Edited by Buzsaw, : As noted.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Thanks for clarification, ICant. It's too bad that our YEC so called fundamentalist brothers and sisters ignore the Biblical fundamental that God and his heavenly entourage exists in the heavens/cosmos of the universe and that God/Jehovah/I Am being eternal had to have had an eternal universe in which he and his entourage have existed.As per this topic OP, you and I are the more fundi fundamentalists relative to both science and the Genesis record. Indeed the earth was not created 6000 years ago, the creation of sun and moon initiating the 24 hour days etc. Now my only task relative to you is to get your understanding fine tuned on some of the details.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

1. Rrhain, again, alas, your logic cog is shot; caput. There's no reasoning with you. You argue for the sake of arguing. I've cited the above as another classic example. Anyone with half a brain in gear understands by the textual wording that the word void here simply means void of life and order. The text clearly states what the "void" means. It reads, "waste and void" in the ASV and similar in other versions. It has to be existing to be a "waste."2. There was no time that the planet was a ball of water void of soil, mineral, etc i.e. earth. Of course not and that's not what the text even remotely suggests. In it's origin/genesis/beginning it was planet Earth obviously from the context of the opening verses, having both soil and water.3. It has been explained clearly to you that the language of the writer had far fewer words than the English vocabulary and that the context determines the applicable meaning of words such as earth and void etc. You apparantly choose to willfully ignore that fact for the sake of advancing your silly senseless arguments.If you get sensible I'll respond in kind; too busy to play argumental word games.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.