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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Modulous writes: The spirit of the claim is no doubt true: science does not have dogma and changes its views as evidence roles in whereas the Bible doesn't change - only its interpretation by its readers. Is the claim itself actually true? What are these facts? If it is true, does it support the strong claim that the Bible is eternally TRUE whereas as science is only temporally 'true'? It appears that you've so soon forgotten that relative to the Exodus and the wilderness sojourn of the Israelites, creationist science research has falsified the alleged traditional Mt Sinai on the Sinai Peninsula because new evidence shows that the actual Mt Sinai is in Saudi Arabia. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
bluescat writes: Next 10:21) the chemical structure of the dust of the earth & that of man are not the same. 22) language families predate the tower of Babel 23) The great Pyramid predates the alleged flood 24) The moon is not a "light" 25) Joshua couldn't have stopped the sun for the sun doesn't move relative to the earth. 26) If Eve was made from Adam's rib, she would have been male "Y" Chromosomes 27) Changing Lot's wife into a pillar of salt would have needed mass transmutation of elements, The energy which would have vaporized Lot & his 2 daughters. 28) 40 years of wandering in Sinai would have left some physical evidence of which there is none. 29) Jonah would have suffocated being the stomach of a fish for 3 days. 30) serpents don't eat dust. 21: If dead men return to dust, why couldn't omniscient ID create a man from dust?22: Your evidence is? 24: Reflected light is nevertheless, light. Go outside and note how lighted the planet is by the freflected light from the moon. Without the moon it would be dark. 25: Even today the nations refer to the sun rise and the sun set. Like the ancients, we all know what that means. Don't exact upon them what we don't exact upon ourselves for the sake of argument. 26. Nonsense. 27: Not a problem for the omniscient ID creator of the first man. 28: What would you expect to find? Petrified manna and dung? 29: Not if Jehovah had prepared the sea animal for the passenger/visitor/guest. 30: Serpents caught away from their hole in a dust storm or blowing dirt/sand eat more dust than a long legged creature which they were likely to have been before the curse which rendered them belly crawlers. The closer to the ground, the more dust you are likely to ingest. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Taz writes: There ain't no corners of the Earth. Folks today refer to corners on the commodity market. What are their directions? What do they look like? Are they 90% geometrically? Must the term corner always be understood in angular dimensions? When folks refer to the ends or far ends of the earth, where does the earth end? BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Modulous writes: Are you suggesting that this means the Bible has changed? Or are you suggesting that this is evidence that science never updates its ideas as new evidence rolls in? I took your comment to which I responded to allege that anything Biblical is dogmatic "Characterized by an authoritative, arrogant assertion of unproved or unprovable principles" (Online Dictionary).(I would change the dictionary wording to unfalsifiable.) My point was that Biblical research is ongoing so as to falsify or support the Biblical hypothesis, which is supported by substantial corroborative evidence. The ID creationist evidence, as with conventional science, is subject to revision relative to ongoing research. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
deerbreh writes: Easier but still very difficult. Which is why if the virgin birth had happened, Jesus would either been female or a haploid male (occurs in bees but not mammals). God's Holy Spirit (male gender) fathered Jesus. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
rpb writes: Does a female god exist? If there are no opposites of god, how can god have a gender?Is satan female? All we know is that there is no marriage in Heaven. All heavenly entities mentioned in Heaven are depicted in the male gender. That worked to bring Jesus into the world. The details of how it worked are not given. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
lyx2no writes: With whom would God have sex that It be called a male? Ever hear of an implant? BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
lyx2no writes: What were you thinking when you asked about implants? The god who designed humans; who made Eve (female) from a part of Adam (male) effected a male child via his multipresent Holy Spirit. That's all we know. It is the Holy Spirit of God who moves about in the universe doing things and causing things to happen as per Genesis 1 and Psalms 104, etc. It was that spirit of God which did the creative work in Genesis 1 and that spirit of God which effected the virgin birth. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
lyx2no writes: Which has what to do with God's gender? And who is "we"? 1. The Biblical record, from which doctrine is derived relative to God always depicts God and other entities in the masculine gender. 2. The "we" refers to students of the Bible as in science when statements are made like "we do not know." BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Rrhain writes:
1) The universe is not less than 6000 years old. Yes, the Bible does say this.[Skipping over everything about the chronology of creation because that's too easy.] 2) Not all animals are vegetarians. 3) Female humans were not created from male humans. While hyper-advanced genetic engineering could conceivably do such a thing, that isn't what happened with respect to humans. 4) Snakes did not lose their legs after they encountered humans. 5) No humans have lived more than 200 years. 6) No giants. 1. I agree with Peg that your #1 is totally false and not Biblical.2. That depends on whether micro changes happened to the physiology of animals after radical climate change altered their habitat. Teeth that were designed to tear flesh would have been also necessary to deal with fibrous vegetation etc. 3. Our problem with the first woman is no more significant than your problem with how the genders evolved so as to begin to reproduce male and female. 4. So what happened to a whole species of reptilian animals rather suddenly? Perhaps their physiology was somehow changed so that all reptiles became short legged. If an ice age allegedly killed them all it should have wiped out about everything else as well. 5. How do you know that humans way back when didn't live longer? It's speculation on your part just as you would claim that it's speculation on our part to belive they did live longer lives. After all, some of the animals evidently were larger etc, indicative that the habitat may have been changed at some time. 6. We have had 7 ft plus men. How do you know there weren't giants? There were likely few of them so little evidence would have been preserved. There's my response to the first 6. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Hi General Anubis. A hearty welcome to EvC. Your responses appear to indicate that you are sincerely fair and balanced in your responses; a truth seeker, even. I hope we will see more of you here at EvC.
Perhaps when I get time I can comment on some of your points. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
bluegenes writes: A mere glancing reference to something central to life on earth? How strange. I think that would refer to visible swarming creatures, actually. One striking group of animals are the marsupials, with the way they carry their young. Is there a reference to any of these? Also, is there any reference to the animals that are unique to the Americas, Australia and Antartica? Or the plants? And if not, why not? In Genesis 1:28, God declared that man's dominion was to include every living thing that moves on the earth. Lo and behold, there's no moving creatures that mankind is not incapable of managing. That includes bacteria. Were it not for management from man, the black death and other diseases would likely have won the war against mankind. I manage the potato bugs in my potato patch so as to get a crop. The Fae collar on my dog manages fleas. Woe to woodie woodchuck that thinks my garden is his for his dinner. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
What has that got to do with the topic? We've addressed what pertains to creatures relative to this topic. Can we move on to some of the other items on the list?
Methinks there's a resident moose nearby tracking our trail. I grew up in moose country and they will actually track you down sometimes when backpacking or when hunting elk in the mountains. They're a curious animal. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
He has mentioned them all in Genesis 1. They're included in the phrase, "all moving things." That's my final comment relative to your nitpicky nonsense.
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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