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2ice_baked_taters
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Message 266 of 307 (317494)
06-04-2006 4:43 AM


I find to discusss any religion in this factual framework is quite meaningless. It has been and will remain a fruitless path. Facts and meaning are two different animals. Religion is about meaning. Meaning will forever remain open to interpretation. Only the fool focuses on the facts. It is the meaning of things that matters.

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2ice_baked_taters
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Message 269 of 307 (317702)
06-04-2006 6:39 PM
Reply to: Message 267 by nwr
06-04-2006 8:04 AM


That seems like an absurd statement. Facts are meaningful too.
Within the context of what the Bible and other religious texts represent( I will assume that you understand that they are a spiritual guide to the many nuances of getting along with one another in every day life), could you please elaborate on your belief that facts have meaning and perhaps give an example or two.
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2ice_baked_taters
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Message 284 of 307 (317817)
06-05-2006 6:20 AM


Facts have no meaning. We give meaning to facts. Meaning is completely depending upon the individual viewing the fact or set of factual circumstances. To ceaselessly banter about the trivial details and ignore the meaning of basic life lessons that most religious texts share is a useless venture. I believe how an individual interprets what they read in those texts is more of a reflection of that persons character.
Whether or not we as people agree on the historical facts of religious texts is imaterial. It is whether or not we agree on the meaning of lessons meant to be learned and the implications and complications of our differences of opinion concerning our interpretations that shape all that we do that truly matters to us. Our roots grow deep in that which means the most to us. In the end, after all the crapola, it is all that matters. Can anyone here tell me what meaningful point one can sink thier roots into will ever be reached with this approach to any religious text?
Nrw commented that my earlier statement "facts have no meaning" was absurd. I would say that in light of the general weight of meaning that any religious text was meant to convey, thus far this topic has been devoid of anything meaningful and to me quite pointless and absurd.

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2ice_baked_taters
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Message 292 of 307 (317913)
06-05-2006 10:44 AM
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06-05-2006 8:17 AM


It is obvious that the main goal of any religious text is to teach metaphorical lessons where facts are but window dressing for the meanings to be conveyed. Let us say that the bible for arguements sake was complete hisotrical fiction. It would in no way invalidate the many time tested values and lessons it teaches that still hold true today. To discuss any work of such value in a purely factual framework and use that to vlaidate or invalidate the lessons meant to be conveyed
is simply ignoring the entire point of why the text emerged in the first place.
Note: I use "secondary" with respect to the way language works. What I am calling a secondary meaning could still be what the author(s) intended as their primary meaning.
Yes...language and it's use conveys the meaning. However, one must note that regardless of a general intended meaning the interpretations
reflect what the individual relates to and searches for. Despite this people as a whole share many of the same basic valuable life shaping interpretations. This often crosses religious borders and seems to reflect basic values we gravitate to as a whole of humanity.
There are many "genesis" stories. In all that I have heard the facts are window dressing to the meanings meant to be conveyed. The meaning moral/life shaping lessons are the purpose and surely how they were meant to be viewed and discussed. This is the primary function. To make us think about the meaning of life if you will.

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