The Bible is literally true, but each detail is not.

In your first link, the paleontologist describes a 20,000 year old frozen mammoth. No flood evidence there.Your second link describes a mammoth that had eaten before dying of a fall into a fissure in the "ice" (or permafrost), and then freezing. The discoverers thought it had probably suffocated under the earth that fell with it.

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"Before I arrived at the site, Herz had partially dug away the hill of earth
round the body, and so both the forefeet and the hind feet were exposed.
These lay under the body so that it rested on them. When one looked at the
body one had the impression that it must have suddenly fallen into an
unexpected fissure in the ice, which it probably came across in its
wanderings, and which may have been covered with a layer of plant-bearing
mould. After its fall the unlucky animal must have tried to get out of its
hopeless position, for the right forefoot was doubled up and the left
stretched forward as if it had struggled to rise. But its strength had
apparently not been up to it, for when we dug it out still farther we found
that in its fall it had not only broken several bones, but had been almost
completely buried by the falls of earth which tumbled in on it, so that it
had suffocated.

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"Its death must have occurred very quickly after its fall, for we found
half-chewed food still in its mouth, between the back teeth and on its
tongue, which was in good preservation. The food consisted of leaves and
grasses, some of the later carrying seeds. We could tell from these that
the mammoth must have come to its miserable end in the autumn."
- E. W. Pfizenmayer
Siberian Man and Mammoth

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Definitely no flood evidence there. Quite the opposite, as the discoverer finds good evidence of the cause of death. The animal fell while grazing.Is this the sort of stuff that starts creationist memes? Edited by bluegenes, : No reason given.

Just use the "peek" button on the bottom right of other posts to find out how the various features work. And the dBcodes "help" to the left of the reply forms.ABE} You can see how both the quote box and the quote lines work in my post above this one. Peek!Edited by bluegenes, : addition

@bluegenes: you make a good point and i'll take it on boardim not going to demand that this animal died in the flood because i dont think anyone can prove that... i will however remain convinced that something happened in the past that affected a lot of animals instantlythis particular mammoth may have fallen into a ditch and been covered over by falling dirt, or it may have drowned in the ditch. I dont think even those who found it can really know for surehowever, grass and undigested food indicates sudden destruction hence a sudden flood is plausible

great thanks for the tip

Your link simply shows what has been known for years, the the movement of erratics is simply the work of glaciers particularly during the last ice age.

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There are many ways that fissures & crevices etc are formed. Earthquakes, local flooding etc. Such phenomena don't suggest a global flood .

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Many things have happened in the past that cause a lot of animals to die quickly at the same time, including floods. Look at the recent storm flooding in Burma. Many land animals would have perished in it.

I appreciate the info , but I fail to see where these myths are 'very similar' to the biblical flood.Logically, if the biblical flood were true, then shouldn't there be only one flood story the world over?We are told that the only human survivors were the inhabitants of the ark, thus all other cultures were terminated. Therefore, if the biblical flood is true then there shouldn't be all these vastly different tales in existence.According to the Bible, we are all descended from Noah and his sons, so I conclude that the vastly different flood stories are more the product of human imagination rather than an actual single catastrophic event.I have read many flood myths from around the world, some much older than the two merged biblical flood myths, and I don't see how they can be related.

Except that DNA studies have contradicted this completely.Here is just one example: in a cave in southern Alaska a partial skeleton was found and dated to 10,300 years ago--definitely pre-flood.The mtDNA from that individual/lineage was found in living individuals spread along the Pacific coast from California to the tip of South America.There was no break at the approximate date of the flood, 4,350 years ago, with replacement by mtDNA associated with Noah's female kin.Hence no flood.This kind of evidence is common worldwide. I have a similar case from my own archaeological research dating back about 5,300 years.You just can't have a flood which flushes all human populations but which allows regional continuity of mtDNA lineages.

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"Died very suddenly" is not the same as "frozen alive".

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Hi Brian,
i know what your saying, and sure, you'd like to think that they would all be exactly that same, but if you consider that the story was passed down from generation to generation by word of mouth and add to that the influence of the religion that they practiced, then its understandable why there are variancesbut what we can be sure of is that on all six continents of the earth, the story of a great deluge and a small group of survivors can be found.an interesting fact is the chinese word for ship is made up of 3 characters: Vessel + Eight + Mouths

hi coyote,im no expert on dna and havnt looked into it myself so i cant really comment on the bones foundi do however have doubts about the carbon dating process and believe that it may not be accuratefirst it has to be assumed that the level of carbon 14 in the atmosphere has always been the same as it is now. Cosmic rays vary greatly in intensity at times, being largely affected by changes in the earth’s magnetic field. Magnetic storms on the sun sometimes increase the cosmic rays, the earth’s magnetic field has been both stronger and weaker in past millenniums, and since the explosion of nuclear bombs, the worldwide level of carbon 14 has increased substantially.

Carbon 14 dating has lots of theads that will explain it to you and you can ask questions there. Radioactive carbon datingRadiocarbon dates -- young coal and natural gas (things that C14 date too young/old)Carbon-14 Dating Debate Assistance ThreadI suggest you withhold "doubts" until you actually know something about it.This thread covers dating more generally:
Age Correlations and an Old Earth: Version 1 No 3 (formerly Part III)

my apologiesmy doubts about the carbon dating were in relation to the 10,000 year old bones found in the cave

Post your doubts to one of the proper threads and I can respond.Please scan the thread first, as suggested, and you might find the answers already there.

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