Citing Middle Eastern Prophecy Being Fulfilled

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If the Jews now living in the land of Israel are not the ones to whom the above prophesies will soon apply, then what future Jewish generation do you think it will apply?

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How can it be a prophecy when the event (or in this case, the state of Israel)is entirely man made?It's like Jack Ruby prophesying on the death of Lee Harvey Oswald.Edited by killinghurts, : No reason given.

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All kingdoms including David's involved the work of man, but God ordained.

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I suppose the words "God ordained" is just fancy for "Gold told them to".. right?How do you know this to be true?Saudi Arabians believed they were acting in the name of Allah when they flew two planes into the WTC.. right?George Bush firmly believed he was acting in the name of God when he invaded Iraq.. right?Which in these decisions (if any) were "ordained by God"? Or is it more likely they simply used "the word of God" as a reason to act?I suggest the latter. It happens all the time.

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It was by the providence of God that Israel became a nation, the messianic nation, after all of those centuries of global dispersion (miraculous/divine).

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No, it was not by the providence of God, it was by the providence of the UN. They decided that the Jews should be given their homeland after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, and it was done so out of their sentimental/emotional (or dare I say religious) attachment to the geographic location. i.e - it was MAN who invoked your interpretation of the prophecy, not God. If God magically teleported all the Jews to the same location, thenI would wholeheartedly believe what you have to say. But that did not happen.

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It's all happening as prophesied and it all corroborates with many other prophecies relative to the end of the Gentile era, i.e latter days.

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And when will that be exactly?You don't know do you.You will *not* give me a date will you. Ever.It's like me saying:"I prophecise that one day the world will end."It's going to come true isn't it...?If you want to prove your point, and predict with accuracy, you must specify a date, and the event must not be able to be acted out by man - don't you agree?

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Killinghurts, the topic is about fulfilled prophecy in the Middle East. All I can do is cite the prophecies and note what we observe today relative to those prophecies. Then let each go and figure as to what they want to believe. If you fail to connect the dots, that's your problem.

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No it's not my problem - it's your problem. The onus is on you (the claimant) to prove to me that the bible fulfills prophecy. You clearly cannot do this with a specific date and time, and without intervention by humans.Until you can clearly tell me when an event will happen, you have absolutely no grounds to "connect the dots", as you put it.To me (and most others) a prophecy is a prediction of the future, not an examination of specific events in the past, in hindsight.So I say to you - go ahead, if you're that sure, please put us all out of our misery and predict the future. Give me an event that cannot be attributed to human intervention and give me the date, and I will gladly proclaim you are right and I am wrong.Edited by killinghurts, : Changed the sentence "without a specific date and time" to "with a specific date and time"