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ThreeDogs
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Message 9 of 111 (455390)
02-12-2008 9:57 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by New Cat's Eye
02-11-2008 10:37 PM


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The Bible describes all kinds of truths, IMHO, but I am capable of seeing my bias towards the Bible being truthful... ya know, being Catholic and all.
Being catholic and all means you subscribe to the following contention about the bible:
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Q. Are the doctrines of the Catholic Church then entirely independent of Scripture ?
A. They are; because she taught her doctrines, and they were believed by the early Christians before the New Testament was written”centuries, indeed, before the Bible was collected into its present form; and she would have done so, in precisely the same manner, had they never been written.
(Familiar Explanation of Christian Doctrine for the Family and More Advanced Students in Catholic Schools and Colleges. Rev M. Muller, 1875, p.83)
For the Christian, who knows what Christian means, the bible is the only resource extant to search for and learn the meaning of salvation.
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Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. John 5:39
It means that he believes God has the power to make certain that regardless of the many hands that touch it, the plan of salvation remains intact. Otherwise, why bother at all? And going with the pagan traditions found in the RCC is not an option.
Argue with fundamentalists about what the bible really means and it means something to them and nothing to you. Catholics have a specific style of arguing, which they do for the church and what she says and not the bible for what it says. That this is automatically incompatible is clear.
Here is the modus well-established of how a discussion with a catholic about biblical truth proceeds:
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“We cannot allow that every private Priest or member of the Church of Rome should give his own opinions merely as the standard of doctrine. We will have recourse to the oracular response of the Church, and insist that they be represented by themselves; not, however, by private individuals, but by their legal representatives. But, then, there is nothing which they dread so much as the testimony of their own Church. ... IT IS A PRINCIPAL AIM OF ALL [ROMAN CATHOLIC] CONTROVERTISTS TO EMPLOY EVERY MODE OF EVASION IN ORDER TO DISCONCERT THEIR OPPOSERS. There is even a marked difference between the tone of these Romish Divines who speak dogmatically for the instruction of their own members and that of those who attempt to answer the objections of their antagonists. With the former, all is matter of downright certainty; with the latter, all is doubt, difficulty, subterfuge, and evasion. When the faithful are to be instructed, every Priest becomes the sure depositary of the infallible decisions of an infallible Church; but when Protestants are to be confuted, the declarations of their most illustrious men are of no authority. Councils are discovered to have been but partly approved; Popes did not speak ex cathedra; Cardinals and Bishops are but private Doctors; and who cares for the opinion of an obscure Priest or Friar? Thus nothing is so difficult as to know what the belief of Roman Catholics really is; and WHEN A PROTESTANT ADDUCES THEIR OWN WRITERS AS WITNESSES, HE IS FREQUENTLY TOLD THAT HE IS A MISREPRESENTER OF THEIR CHURCH” (Charles Elliott, Delineation of Roman Catholicism, London: John Mason, 1851, p. 23).
The book is in its entirety on the internet for those interested about catholicism.
Here is another example of how it works for the catholic, from his holy book, the catechism:
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91. "All the faithful share in understanding and handing on revealed truth. They have received the anointing of the Holy Spirit, who instructs them[Cf. 1Jn 2:20, 27 .] and guides them into all truth.[Cf. .Jn 16:13 .]" (Catechism of the Catholic Church, Doubleday:New York, © 1994 United States Catholic Conference, Inc. - Libreria Editrice Vaticana, p. 33)
And just a minute or so later, it becomes the following:
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100. "The task of interpreting the Word of God authentically has been entrusted solely to the Magisterium of the Church, that is, to the Pope and to the bishops in communion with him." (Catechism of the Catholic Church, Doubleday:New York, © 1994 United States Catholic Conference, Inc. - Libreria Editrice Vaticana, pp. 37-38)
That's a little too long, but interesting.

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