When was Shem born?

To all of the YECs out there, I have a question. In the bible, what year after creation was Shem born?Remember, the inerrancy of the biblical timelines is critical to establishing the age of a Young Earth (even though there is a workaround for Shem), so this should be an easy one.------------------
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I have. The problem is, Shem doesn't add up. ------------------
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First off, Rrhain, it's much better if they have to read their own Bible and run into things themselves.The problem of reading it as Noah begat Shem several years after he was 500 years old is that you have to invalidate the accuracy of all of the other chronologies, which use the same wording.Are our resident YECs willing to invalidate the accuracy biblical chronology to attempt to fix this error? What about other similar errors? For example, Abram is born in 1949 AC. In 2024, Abram leaves Haran after his father's death. However, his father doesn't die for another 65 years. Samson judges in 2929 AC, and dies in 2949. Eli then judges for 40 years - 2989. Because of Acts 13:19-20, Samuel takes over 450 years after the land is divided (2559 + 450 = 3009). There's a 20 year gap with no judge. Of course, there's a conflict with 1 Kings 6:1 as well, which states that from Exodus to the temple is 480 years. This gives only 30 years for the Exodus, Samuel, Saul, and David combined. If you try and reconcile temple construction, you end up with a 114 year gap (temple begins in Solomon's 4th year as king, 480 years after Israel leaves Egypt).I could keep on going. The issue is, the dates don't reconcile.------------------
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Abram was born in 1949.0: Creation
130: Seth
235: Enosh
325: Kenan
395: Mahalalel
460: Jared
622: Enoch
687: Methusaleh
874: Lamech
1056: Noah
1559: Ham, Shem, and Japeth, although not really
1656: Flood
1659: Arphaxad
1694: Shelah
1724: Eber
1758: Peleg
1788: Reu
1820: Serug
1850: Nahor
1879: Terah
1949: AbramAm I missing something?As to whether he left at his father's death, the Bible is quite clear:"Terah took his son Abram, his daughter-in-law Sarai, and his grandson Lot (his son Haran's child) and left Ur of the Chaldeans to go to the land of Canaan. But they stopped instead at the village of Haran and settled there. Terah lived for 205 years and died while still at Haran. Then the LORD told Abram, "Leave your country, your relatives, and your father's house, and go to the land that I will show you. I will cause you to become the father of a great nation. I will bless you and make you famous, and I will make you a blessing to others. I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you. All the families of the earth will be blessed through you. So Abram departed as the LORD had instructed him, and Lot went with him. Abram was seventy-five years old when he left Haran."I mean, seriously - if you can reaarange the bible as you want, you can literally make it say anything. Not to mention, some early texts "correct" Terah's death age to 145.------------------
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Any which way i can say at least in jewish view as found often in the talmud - we do hold that although at times there is chronolgy in the torah, in general the order of the verses are not chronological. This is part of the jewish tradition as brought down in th eoral law. You can take it any way you like.

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If you can rearrange verses at will, you can make the Torah say pretty much anything. I could make Exodus out in such a way that Pharaoh led the Israelites out of Egypt if I'm allowed to do that

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Shem was born in 1558 and died in 2158. As for your problem with th e verses above in 5/3 ans 11/10 - not a problem either. The verse in 11/10 actually sheds light on Shem's birth, and here's how.
Shem was 100 two years after the flood, hence he was 98 at the flood
Noah was 600 at the flood so Noah had Shem when he was 502, which was the year 1558.

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as for the verse in 5/32 saying Noach had shem, cham and yefet when he was 500 - no problem -remeber that Yefet is the oldest ["his elder brother Yefet"] ..so this verse only really says that Noach began having kids at age 500 and he had his elder which is yefet. iy doesnt say how muc after yefet he had shem and cham - and so we see from 11/10 that it was 2 years later, in 502 that noah had shem. Problem solved i think?

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So if I were to say "At age 20 I had three children", you would interpret this as meaning that I had my first child at age 20? That seems to be quite a strange way of reading, from my perspective.

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as for the 1948 vs 1949 thing -i dont know how you got your nunbers. heres how i see it:

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Looking over it, our timelines diverge at Shem The person I got my list from (I've computed them myself a long time ago, but don't have my reference around any more) apparently was confused by the Shem part as well.Any comments about the temple construction or exodus timelines? I can elaborate if you'd like.------------------
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