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Author Topic:   Is there any proof of life right after flood?
kofh2u
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Message 3 of 18 (99750)
04-13-2004 7:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jackal25
04-13-2004 5:57 PM


Neanderthal = zero
Not exactly.
The "flood" has largely been discounted as a real event that was concerned with real water. Both the word water and flood have been used symbolically for ages, and in particular in the Hebrew scriptures, to mean "peoples and nations" and huge "migrations" or amassing of large crowds such as armies.
The best interpretation of Noah's Flood to date can be found in the Freudian Bible Translation and Interpretation.
There, the story is assumed to be metaphorical. The "flood" is a first hand report of the sudden rise in the Modern Homo Sapien population about 40,000 years ago. This is confirmed by the science studies, and dovetails well with St Peter's statement that "a day is a 1000 years."
So, for 40 "nights and days," meaning 40,000 years, Modern Homo Sapiens, the "water," the peoples and nations, exploded,... population wise, as if a sudden flood or tidal wave. They apparently out competed Neanderthal Man, the dominate Hominoid before this, driving him away, and probably exterminating him in the most noble fashion and behavior common to Modern Homos.
The "ark" which is symbolic of a closed cube shaped box, refers to the skull of Modern Homo Sapiens. Inside was the "three floors" of the mind: the Conscious Mind, the Subconscious Mind, and the Unconscious Mind.
The rainbow of seven colors, which is mentioned, referred to the seven modes of thinking available to us, the seven spirits of Revelation 1:16, the seven psychological Freudian-Jungian Archetypal apparati: Id, Libido, Ego, Anima, Self, Superego, Harmony.
That Neanderrthal was without language, his vocal cords anatomically in the wrong place, he had never created names for the animals and wild life. In his absence and with the power to speak language, the metaphor tells us that Noah gave names to the animals... for the first time ever heard on the planet!
Anyway, the Freudian Bible Translation and Interpretation incorporates the whole metphor, nice and neat, right in the story. Brackets are used to fill in the ideas, and the whole interpretation is literally just a suggestion for the reader.
This is so powerful in that it makes sense, it avoids all the denigrating secular remarks and disparagements. AND... it even challenges them to be reasonable. To recognize that this is an ancient report, an eye witness report of an important biological event.
Gen. 6:1 And it came to pass, when men (hominoids) began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
Gen. 6:2 That the sons of God (pre-Homo Spaiens) saw the daughters of men (Neanderthal) that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Gen. 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit (of Natural Law) shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh (and must adapt to my Reality): yet his days, (Neanderthal) shall be an hundred and twenty (thousand) years.
Gen. 6:4 There were giants (Homo Erectus) in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God (pre-Homo Spaiens) came in unto the daughters of men (Neanderthal), and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men (hybrids leading to Modern Homo Sapiens) which were of old, men of renown.
Gen. 6:5 And GOD, (the Reality of Universal Power) saw that the wickedness of man (including Neanderthal) was great in the earth, and that every imagination of (his abstraction of Reality) the thoughts of his heart (or his psyche) was only evil (and unrealistic) continually (as regards the process of adaption).
Gen. 6:6 And it, (the evolutionary process), repented the LORD that he had made man (all hominoids in general) on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart (that cataclysmic changes were to come).
Gen. 6:7 And the LORD, Almighty Universe) said, I will destroy man (of these types and species) whom I have created (to mentally, in analogy, abstract consciously a model and schmata of Universe) destroy them from the face of the earth (extinction!); both (this species and kind of) man, and (his idea of) the beast, and (his idea of) the creeping thing, and (his idea of) the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

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kofh2u
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Message 6 of 18 (99843)
04-14-2004 2:08 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by wj
04-14-2004 12:47 AM


neanderthal bones = population est.
Homo Sapiens has been here in small numbers for quite a while.
The exact point at which one calls people 'modern' is truly a matter of opinion. Most say that 'modern' humans arose 150,000 years ago, but they had some primitive skeletal features. As do most 'modern' skeletons found until around 25,000 years ago. Indeed, there is a veritable gradation in morphology of skeletons from 500,000 years to the present. There are no big morphological jumps.

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kofh2u
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Message 14 of 18 (107243)
05-10-2004 8:39 PM
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04-13-2004 8:25 PM


Re: Neanderthal = zero
That is the theory, right?
1) This almighty Universe creates living organisms on the planet earth.
2) They either adapt to the only thing that is permanent, the changing environment of this "God of the living," the Almighty Power above, Reality, ... or, EXTINCTION... just another :mistake" or developmental step along the way to the perfection of an eternal species, aka Modern Homoiousian Sapiens."

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Message 15 of 18 (107247)
05-10-2004 8:53 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by riVeRraT
05-09-2004 8:54 AM


Inerrancy is over! We can examine scripture freely!
Rev. 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks, (the Old Testament and the New Testament), standing before the God of the earth, (the Word of Universal Christianity).
Inerrancy is over! We can examine scripture freely!
Rev. 11:5 And if any man will hurt them (by dissent or heresy), fire (at the stake) proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, (by the offer of doctrine at variance with the Papal orthodoxy), he must in this manner be killed, (burned at the stake).

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Message 16 of 18 (107263)
05-10-2004 9:11 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by kofh2u
04-14-2004 2:08 AM


Re: neanderthal bones = population explosion
Neanderthals lived until 28,000 years ago in Spain, so they were killed off by the "flood" of Homo that started 40,000 years ago. And Homo's weren't dominant in Europe until after this time ( 28,000 years ago) because almost no modern human skeletons have been found in Europe prior to 30,000 years ago.
The Neandertals’ last bastion appeared to be the Iberian Peninsula, where fossils from a Spanish site called Zafarraya have been dated to 32,000 years ago and tools attributed to Neandertals have been dated to around 28,000 years ago. Fred H. Smith, The Fate of the Neandertals, Scientific American April 2000, p. 106
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