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nator
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Message 23 of 33 (195093)
03-28-2005 11:53 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Destinylab
03-28-2005 12:33 PM


Re: Thanks for the replies!
quote:
We all have the same evidence in front of us, the difference is how you interpret the evidence. I simply do not have enough trust in man to believe in evolution.
Do you accept that paternity tests that use DNA are reliable?

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nator
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Message 24 of 33 (195096)
03-29-2005 12:00 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by Destinylab
03-28-2005 11:41 PM


Re: about this song...
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Denver, Colorado, February 16, 2003 -- A first-of-its-kind statement on evolution signed by over 200 scientists was unveiled today at the American Association for the Advancement of Science annual convention in Denver, Colorado, following Lawrence Krauss's topical lecture entitled "Scientific Ignorance as a Way of Life: From Science Fiction in Washington to Intelligent Design in the Classroom." The statement -- sponsored by the National Center for Science Education (NCSE), a nonprofit organization that defends the teaching of evolution in the public schools -- reads:
Evolution is a vital, well-supported, unifying principle of the biological sciences, and the scientific evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of the idea that all living things share a common ancestry. Although there are legitimate scientific debates about the patterns and processes of evolution, there is no serious scientific doubt that evolution occurred or that natural selection is a major mechanism of evolution. It is scientifically inappropriate and pedagogically irresponsible for creationist pseudoscience, including but not limited to "intelligent design," to be introduced into the science curricula of the public schools.
The 220 signatories are a distinguished group. Almost all hold PhDs in the sciences. They include two Nobel prize winners, eight members of the National Academy of Sciences, and several well-known authors of popular science books such as Why We Age, Darwin's Ghost, and How the Mind Works.
And they're all named Steve.
Eugenie C. Scott, the executive director of NCSE, explained the significance of the statement. "Creationists are fond of amassing lists of PhDs who deny evolution to try to give the false impression that evolution is somehow on the verge of being rejected by the scientific community. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Hundreds of scientists endorsed the NCSE statement. And we asked only scientists named Steve -- who represent approximately 1% of scientists."
Steven Weinberg, professor of physics at the University of Texas, Austin, and recipient of the 1977 Nobel Prize in physics, added, "Of course science isn't decided by manifesto; this statement pokes fun at such efforts. If you want to know whether scientists accept evolution, you should look in the scientific literature. There you find that evolution is alive and well, as a central and unifying principle of science."
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nator
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Message 28 of 33 (195101)
03-29-2005 12:17 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by Destinylab
03-29-2005 12:05 AM


Re: self-evident
quote:
I would have no problem with God using evolution, the problem is the lack of physical evidence in the fossil record and lack of transitional fossils.
What kind of fossil evidence you you believe is so lacking that makes thousands of scientists over the last century or so a bunch of dunderheads for not realizing it?
Also, what is your definition of "transitional fossil"?
quote:
The other thing you seem not to take into account is that most evolutionists are pushing athiesism. So how do they go hand in hand?
They are?
That's news to me.
Where are they doing this? In the biology textbooks? Maybe at scientific conferences, right?
I'd better tell the several Christian scientists I know pwesonally, all of whom accept the ToE, that they are actually athiests and push it on people.
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The other things you say were never proclaimed self evident, nor is there a verse in the Bible that claims it should be. The truth of a Creator being self evident is something that we are being held accountable for.
What does this mean? Either something is self evident or it isn't.
What is so "evident" about your particular version of a Creator? Why is it not "evident" to many others?
This message has been edited by schrafinator, 03-29-2005 12:18 AM

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There is no greater threat to civil liberties than an efficient government. -jar

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nator
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Message 29 of 33 (195102)
03-29-2005 12:21 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by Destinylab
03-29-2005 12:11 AM


Re: Thanks for the replies!
quote:
Do you accept that DNA is an encoded language that is another proof of a Creator? DNA could not have formed by chance.
Please answer the question.
Do you accept that paternity tests that use DNA are reliable?
Yes or no?

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nator
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Message 30 of 33 (195107)
03-29-2005 12:31 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by Destinylab
03-29-2005 12:16 AM


Re: about this song...
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If evolution is a fact then prove it. Facts are proveable and observable right? Why don't you educate me?
Evolution for Beginners
At a minimum, three things are needed for evolution to happen. Birth (we know that happens), death (we also know that happens), and genetic variation (and we know that happens). More specifically, 1) the births of many more individuals than can survive, to give the maximum genetic potential; 2) the disproportionately high percentage of deaths of organisms who are less well suited to their environments and predatory conditions, and therefore are unable to leave as many offspring; and 3) genetic variation to produce the raw material of physical change, which is then acted upon by natural selective forces. All of this has nothing to do with the species wanting to evolve into another species. Creatures do not choose to evolve. If the environment and food supply changes, or if the species relocates to a new environment, or a new species enters the area and competes, evolution will probably occur- or the species may become extinct.
Evolution is a Fact and a Theory
From a respected Biology textbook:
Since Darwin's time, massive additional evidence has accumulated supporting the fact of evolution--that all living organisms present on earth today have arisen from earlier forms in the course of earth's long history. Indeed, all of modern biology is an affirmation of this relatedness of the many species of living things and of their gradual divergence from one another over the course of time. Since the publication of The Origin of Species, the important question, scientifically speaking, about evolution has not been whether it has taken place. That is no longer an issue among the vast majority of modern biologists. Today, the central and still fascinating questions for biologists concern the mechanisms by which evolution occurs.
- Helena Curtis and N. Sue Barnes, Biology 5th ed. 1989, Worth Publishers, p. 972
This message has been edited by schrafinator, 03-29-2005 12:31 AM
Same warning as for Message 24. To stay within guidelines, you should say something yourself on the subject.
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"History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose."--Thomas Jefferson
There is no greater threat to civil liberties than an efficient government. -jar

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