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Author Topic:   Haeckel in Biology Textbooks
bluegenes
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Message 23 of 72 (482671)
09-17-2008 12:54 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Beretta
09-17-2008 5:22 AM


Re: Haeckel's excuses
Beretta writes:
People who lie generally have good excuses for why they did it -it's called justification. It is supposed to turn them from a liar into a person with an excuse for doing what they did.
If you are an honest campaigner against people exaggerating to make their points, why are you exaggerating to make yours? The I.D. people use schematic drawings of bacterial flagella to make their point of design. The drawings are designs by humans, and look like little designed machines, but photographs of these flagella do not resemble the drawings or machines to the human eye at all. The drawings and models used are far more radically divorced from reality than Haeckel's diagrams.
The schematics are illustrations to show how the flagella function a bit like our motors, and this kind of thing is standard practice. It's no good Wells and his cronies using the technique of explanatory illustration (perfectly valid), then complaining at its use by Haeckel or anyone else.

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bluegenes
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Message 53 of 72 (483756)
09-24-2008 4:42 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Beretta
09-20-2008 4:55 AM


Re: Haeckel's excuses
Beretta writes:
If you look at the molecular level and see the way the different proteins function together to make the flagella work, the schematic is illustrating the principle apon which the motor works via the inter-related protein parts.
Haeckel lied completely misrepresenting his whole point and making the drawings fit the lie - putting the flagellar motor concept next to Haeckel's fraud is just plain ridiculous.
Didn't you understand the quote from Haeckel that Mr. Jack provided here Message 16?
He makes essentially the same claim that you are making for the schematics of flagella, using the word "diagramatic". I.D. advocates cannot accuse him of exaggeration and lying without hypocrisy. In reality, bacterial flagella have no neat appearance of design at all.
Here's someone accusing I.D.ers of the same thing that you're accusing Haeckel of. Some imaginative drawings from I.D.ers! Why doesn't Wells write a book criticising his friends, as they're pursuing the practices he so disapproves of right now, not in the 19th century.

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