randman writes:
Have you read the gospels and the New Testament?
I'm Christian, too, Rand! I can quote half of it by memory! (Maybe that's an exaggeration
).
Have you ever read the Old Testament, which was purportedly written by the same God as the New Testament? It doesn't teach the same message of kindness, compassion, forgiveness, not-genocide and not-war, does it? In fact, it very directly supports racial/ethnic persecution, not-forgiveness, vengeance and genocide. How is taking two completely opposite sides in the same volume of scripture not equivocal?
randman writes:
Absent of God, man makes up his own morals as he sees fit...
I think it us very clear that, even in the
presence of God, man makes up his own morals as he sees fit. How can we say for certain that the Christian morals we believe in are not just another of those morals made up by man? In attributing
our particular morals to God, we effectively say, "we're right, and all you other people are wrong," which is generally what starts the conflicts.
randman writes:
How can you say genocide is wrong per se even?
I guess I can't, Rand.
randman writes:
I don't think it takes a genius to see how the Nazis drew inspiration from Darwinism.
What was Joshua's inspiration? It wasn't Darwin. How about the slave-traders in the 1700's and 1800's? It wasn't Darwin.
Linking something bad to some interpretation of a certain principle or concept does not make that principle/concept bad. No one's arguing that Nazism didn't use some Darwinist materials: they're arguing that it's not Darwin's (or science's) fault that they did.
Expelled seems to think that it is all Darwin's and science's fault that we had Nazis, and that if science had been dominated by IDists, it would not have happened.
I think all the racial/ethnic/social/religious persecution before Darwin's time, and in places without Christianity--and, for that matter, everywhere and everywhen since humans first appeared on this hellhole planet--is clear evidence that people are going to find a reason to kill, persecute and otherwise lasciviate, no matter what they have to use as rationalization. And we Christians have shown that we're nothing special in this regard.
Just read all the intrigue and controversy about
Expelled and you'll see exactly what I mean: they weren't particularly scrupulous about what they did, either.
I'm Thylacosmilus.
Darwin loves you.