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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
You have got to be kidding. My fridge is chock-full of atoms. Observations don't have to be direct, you know. Heh... Then my fridge is chock-full of God. Observations don't have to be direct. you know. Hey Ringo, it is better to shun the bait than struggle in the snare. "It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias
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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2506 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined: |
Ringo writes: You have got to be kidding. My fridge is chock-full of atoms. Too right. He walked into that one. In fact, he said "atoms" plural, which you can see, otherwise all would be darkness in the universe!
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Then my fridge is chock-full of God. Observations don't have to be direct. you know. But anyone can confirm that his fridge is full of atoms. That is not true of your assertion. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
nemesis_juggernaut writes: Then my fridge is chock-full of God. Observations don't have to be direct. you know. Pay attention. Observations have to be objective - i.e. a Mormon has to see the same God in your fridge that you see. “Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels ------------- Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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pbee Member (Idle past 6056 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
quote:Well at this junction we have two options 1) Ringo said it was unverified or 2) it was verified by an outstanding number or people and accounts following the event. I'm not going to discriminate your feelings towards the claim in question, however you may want to provide us with a better source or reference. Otherwise your counterclaim cannot be regarded as anything but an opinion.
quote:If a tree falls in the forest.... Got anything else? I once read "We exist, therefore He lives" it was not a very profound statement at the time, however, today I think it says a great deal about humans and God.
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
But anyone can confirm that his fridge is full of atoms. That is not true of your assertion. Well, then, he can also confirm the non-existence of God too, seeing as that is the premise of the topic. "It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
pbee writes: 1) Ringo said it was unverified or 2) it was verified by an outstanding number or people and accounts following the event. You'll have to roll out that "outstanding number or people and accounts" and have them all independently verified and agree with each other before your assertion has any value. “Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels ------------- Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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pbee Member (Idle past 6056 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
quote:Nope. This would be your own desire, however we both know that claims and records are not treated this way. Based on your needs, a great deal of our history would be discarded instead of being valued. Perhaps you have something more realistic to add to the pot?
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
pbee writes: Based on your needs, a great deal of our history would be discarded instead of being valued. Not at all. All of our history has been evaluated and verified as I have described. I'm only asking that your claims be subjected to the same tests as any other claims. Since you make no attempt to back up your claims, I assume you can't. “Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels ------------- Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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pbee Member (Idle past 6056 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
quote:This is the first and last time I will respond to childish taunts by you under such terms. Such behavior is not worthy of a response or the information. So now... lets move on with a supporting reference. Have you ever heard of Flavius Josephus, He was a first-century Jewish historian and a Pharisee. He referred to Jesus Christ in his book Jewish Antiquities. Although people doubt the authenticity of his references, Josephus mentions *Jesus the Messiah. Though many criticized that statement few doubted the genuineness of his second reference where he said Ananus(the high priest) gathered the judges of the Sanhedrin and apprehended a man called *James, *brother of Jesus, who was called the Christ. So here we have, a Pharisee, member of the sect that was claimed as an opponents of Jesus, acknowledging the existence of James, the brother of Jesus. So there it is, *one external source that supports the existence of Christ, who in turn made the statement that God is a spirit as I mentioned earlier. Edited by pbee, : No reason given. Edited by pbee, : typo's
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pbee Member (Idle past 6056 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
quote:Prior to and following the validation of atoms, could we confirm any atoms were in the fridge? Has the condition changed after the fact? Your statement brings nothing in adding or removing evidence to the claim.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
pbee writes: So here we have *one external source which supports the existence of Christ who in turn made the statement that God is a spirit as I mentioned earlier. And Ian Fleming wrote that James Bond acknowledged the existence of Goldfinger. To sum up: there is a lack of evidence for God's existence. Inductively, that suggests non-existence. And the best counter you have is that some guy said some guy believed in God. “Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels ------------- Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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pbee Member (Idle past 6056 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
Oh now, your just trying to cheer me up.
If Jesus existed then his statement and the notion that God exists just received an injection. But this isn't the point were trying to make is it?
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Prior to and following the validation of atoms, could we confirm any atoms were in the fridge? No, but knowledge has evolved. For example, when we were more ignorant it was reasonable to think that the Bible was an accurate history. Now we know that much of what is reported in the various Bible stories are simply factually wrong. As we learn more knowledge evolves. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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pbee Member (Idle past 6056 days) Posts: 339 Joined: |
quote:Such as...?
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