Proof for God's Non-existance?

Glad you asked....1-week Creation, The Noahchian flood, Joshua's long day, Reversing Shadows, The building of the Tower to Heaven that threaten God(s) almighty, Explanation of the different languages, etc.

The Flood, 6 Day Creation, GOE, Exodus, Flood, Conquest of Canaan ... for starters.

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1-week Creation; misinterpretation (plausible)
The Noahchian flood; evidence on both sides of the fence. (plausible)
Joshua's long day; (plausible)
Reversing Shadows; (plausible)
The building of the Tower to Heaven that threaten God(s) almighty; misinterpretation. (Most probable)
Explanation of the different languages; (plausible)Quite obviously, if we are talking about God the almighty who causes things to happen, past, present and future, then surely such simple events are not the issue.

This thread really should be closed, now. You're just acting all-out silly. C'mon man; the Earth ceasing to rotate for ANY period of time? And I thought Minnesota had its share of loons...Jon

One parting thought.Sure the God almight can do anything. But think, is it plausible that this being would stop the rotation of the earth and orbit of the earth and suspend the all the laws of momentum just the the Children of Israel could complete "great slaughter" on their neighbors?Same with the reversing shadows. These stories are a demonstration that the authors had no real understanding of the nature of the universe - to be expected for the time of writing.As far as flood goes the evidence is overwhelming against a flood. Can you point to me one company using Young Earth Geology for mineral or oil find exploration - follow the money as the saying goes.Check out the Geology threads here at EVC. You will find the only YEC advocates are the likes of HEWG who is a probable troll. The receive very little serious attention. Edited by iceage, : No reason given.

And why would we conclude the earth stopped rotating? I could think of all sorts of scientifically plausible methods to extend daylight without altering the movement of the planets.

Like what? Altering the movement of the sun?

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mods please wait on closing this thread as I really want to see pbee answer to this.... Let's hear just one.

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Like what? Altering the movement of the sun?

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How about reflecting or redirecting sunlight. or... altering peoples perception of time. Since it was written that God demonstrated on numerous occasions God could make people see whatever he wanted them to see. We already know that seasonal changes have an effect on daylight durations throughout the year, perhaps God's intervention was somehow linked to such events.Also, taking into account the size of the hailstones that would of fallen from the sky killing more soldiers than swords, stretching a sunset doesn't seem like such a big a deal.To my knowledge, it never stated how long daylight was extended. Besides, if we are talking about the same entity who created the universe and all things within it, then altering the timing of a few cosmic bodies is really not an issue. Either God is God as it has been written or a God of men with limitations of men.Edited by pbee, : typoEdited by pbee, : No reason given.

Again an unwarranted innovative extrapolation of the text. Anyway the reflecting the sunlight is a suspension of the natural laws so why not just assumed that God stopped the earth's rotation (and the moons orbit) and all the laws of conservation of momentum, etc. Why do you try to minimize what the text claims? maybe because it is absurd armed with the knowledge of modern day astronomy. About a whole day.... Sure but to what end. So that the children of Israel could complete their great slaughter. Why would the all powerful God want his children to experience the spiritual uplifting experience of running people down and putting them to the sword. Why wouldn't this all powerful being take care of his own defective units by maybe stopping the beating of their black little hearts? Exactly. That which is described is the God of the creation of men. Think about it. This God is also referred to as a Man of War.
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Anyway the reflecting the sunlight is a suspension of the natural laws so why not just assumed that God stopped the earth's rotation (and the moons orbit) and all the laws of conservation of momentum, etc. Why try to minimize what the text claims?

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There was no direct explanation for the phenomenon other than, "the sun stood still". Given the knowledge of men of that time, it is doubtful they would of understood much where natural laws were concerned. However, my explanations had no bearing on the account and /or possibilities an entity such as God would have at his disposition. You asked for alternate possibilities and I gave them. No more no less.As I stated, it could of been a number of things, and not simply what feeble minded people with little to no knowledge of the cosmos claim it would be.

So you discount inspiration.Or maybe they didn't understand the divine at all either. If they could not understand simple concepts such as a heliocentric solar system maybe they misunderstood everything else.And again to what end. Why would this all powerful God resort to such extremes and require "his people" to perform holy genocide? Does this sound like the thoughts and writings of a nationalistic people living in the bronze-age or the thoughts of an almighty God?

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Or maybe they didn't understand the divine at all either. If they could not understand simple concepts such as a heliocentric solar system maybe they misunderstood everything else.

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How does this matter? A supernatural event is a supernatural event. As I said, in view of the creation of the universe such things are minuscule in comparison.

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And again to what end. Why would this all powerful God resort to such extremes and require "his people" to perform holy genocide? Does this sound like the thoughts and writings of a nationalistic people living in the bronze-age or the thoughts of an almighty God?

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God showed a special interest in demonstrating His superiority over other gods and pagan nations. One of the methods He did this was by leading the armies of his chosen people into victory by means of supernatural events. Though this may seem barbaric by our standards, we are looking at war and in the days were a sword was the only means to resolving conflict.

You are evading the point. I said if the authors of this text could not understand simple things like the revealed organization of the solar system maybe the rest of the alleged divine understanding in the Bible is erroneous, flawed and misinterpreted via a bronze-age lens. What could be more supernatural then the collapse of all the evil people via a heart attack? or a well aimed asteroid? You are aware we talking about genocide the killing of babies, toddlers, pregnant women and the taking of female children as sexual slaves. Yes these are barbaric and I somehow doubt these are the machinations of the almighty God.And if God's morality such as Love Your Neighbor and Do not Murder are absolute how do you resolve God's working to these barbaric standards? Yes but why does this God work thru the only means available at the present time.Anyway I am done with this thread. I will leave you with your beliefs in a limited and flawed god. Edited by iceage, : No reason given.Edited by iceage, : No reason given.

Actually what you said was God made a claim, it got written down, and the onus is on the sceptic to prove otherwise. That is a different proposition entirely than this one which is basically saying we should evaluate claims on their merits. Sceptics do do the latter, and they are not dodging the implications. Indeed - your statement can be turned around. What drives people to avoid the implications of an absence of God? Fear? Denial?The point is - how do we analyse claims? Taking a person's word for it when they say they heard voices and they told them some information is fraught with danger - we might end up wearing trainers, drinking poisoned fruit juice and hoping to catch the next comet into a massive gas giant.If God did make a claim - obviously he exists. However that God made a claim is itself a claim and we should approach it with the same scepticism we approach Jim Jones' claims, or Koresh's claims. I have yet to hear a single reason why we shouldn't. Why? What have they done to earn respect? Suspended their disbelief? That might be something to respect when you are reading fiction or watching a film - but why is something to respect in the real world? Sounds like you respect people for being deliberately gullible to me.