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Why are literalists literalists?

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Message 29 of 167 (292028)
03-04-2006 8:35 AM 		Reply to: Message 23 by Faith
03-04-2006 3:20 AM

On inaccuracies and things that are just down right wrong in the Bible
The fact is that there isn't and cannot be any factual inaccuracy, there is no such possibility.
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I understand that you might believe that there are no inacurracies, but do you have any evidence to support that belief?
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Message 32 of 167 (292056)
03-04-2006 10:08 AM 		Reply to: Message 31 by Faith
03-04-2006 10:00 AM

Re: On inaccuracies and things that are just down right wrong in the Bible
Thought I said what I have. The knowledge of its supernatural character, which is known to those who know it is God's word.
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Not sure I can see any evidence there Faith. Are you saying that you know it's God's word because you know it's God's word?
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Can you explain how that is not circular reasoning?
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We're on the Faith side Faith so it's perfectly okay for you to say it's just what you believe.
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Message 36 of 167 (292070)
03-04-2006 10:55 AM 		Reply to: Message 34 by Faith
03-04-2006 10:32 AM

Now some evidence is needed to support your assertions.
It's circular reasoning the same way evolutionism says that fossils prove descent is circular reasoning. There is no external proof of that statement.
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No, that is not a correct statement. Can you show where evolutionism (whatever that is) says that fossils prove descent?
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That is the first step you need to support.
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Second, while there is external evidence that supports common descent, there is no support for your assertion about the Bible.
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There is no external proof of that statement.
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Again, do you have any evidence to support that assertion.
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Now you have moved beyond stating your beliefs to making a statement of fact. Once that happens you need to be able to support those statements with evidence.
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Message 63 of 167 (292722)
03-06-2006 11:43 AM 		Reply to: Message 62 by ramoss
03-06-2006 10:52 AM

Re: Literal truth
And she accepts many books that were proscribed from the Samaritan Canon.
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Message 104 of 167 (349187)
09-14-2006 10:57 PM 		Reply to: Message 103 by GDR
09-14-2006 10:49 PM

Re: Question
Faith writes:
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Beyond that, God simply guided the historical events that put together the final canon, again through His servants who were also filled with the Holy spirit and had the discernment to judge.
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Which makes one wonder why there is no one Canon, doesn't it?
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Message 106 of 167 (349192)
09-14-2006 11:40 PM 		Reply to: Message 105 by Faith
09-14-2006 11:30 PM

Re: Question
I thought I was pretty clear that the process of choosing the canon isn't infallible, so some are better than others, certainly, but they have most books in common, don't they?
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The vary quite a bit, from only accepting the first five books and rejecting all the others, to as many as 80+ in the Ethiopian Orthodox Canon, so if the spread of five books to over eighty books is similar inspiration of the Holy Spirit then what can I say?
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Message 108 of 167 (349195)
09-14-2006 11:51 PM 		Reply to: Message 107 by GDR
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Re: Question
I think that is very reasonable, but I also think it was meant to be of value to people of all times and all places and all cultures.
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I do not limit GOD in how She decides to speak to folk.
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Message 130 of 167 (349274)
09-15-2006 10:54 AM 		Reply to: Message 109 by Faith
09-15-2006 12:33 AM

Re: Question
Not everything that claims to be a canon is. Same as not everyone who claims to be a Christian is. God didn't bless all assemblies equally.
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Too funny.
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However, if the fewest books are in all the canons then they are canonical. Go for the ones they all share if you want to be certain which are to be trusted.
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The ONLY books that are in ALL of the canons are the first five books.
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Meanwhile I'll trust the 66-book Protestant Reformation canon. It holds together remarkably well.
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The "Gimme that Old Time Religion" defense yet again.
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Why Faith?
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Why is YOUR Canon inspired and the other Canons not inspired?
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What is the evidence you use to tell which is the God inspired one?
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Message 135 of 167 (349288)
09-15-2006 11:36 AM 		Reply to: Message 134 by Faith
09-15-2006 11:21 AM

On the Bible and slavery.
And I've said it before and will say it again, slavery is endemic to the human race, and the revelation of the Bible is what finally did away with it. It died hard. It's hardwired in fallen human nature.
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Yet the Bible both condones and demands the practice of Slavery beginning in Genesis and right straight through. There is NO place in the Bible where it says "Slavery is wrong and an abomination."
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