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Ziw eht ekima
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Message 171 of 329 (113091)
06-06-2004 8:30 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by nator
06-05-2004 8:46 PM


Re: Yes!
The students saw what they wanted to see in the horoscope, and discounted or ignored the inaccuracies.
I've seen these experiments before, but the information the people are given is vague and could describe a lot of things. But we are talking about specific prayer requests.
Remember, the odds of a specific thing happening at a specific time and at a specific place are very small
That's the point though. Specific things happening at a specific time and place are what prayers are. For example, if I want to be healed from a specific illness, it's no good that I recieve any other result than that specific request. Also, what are the chances of spontanious remission?
We have evidence that we exist that any disinterested observer can test and observe, and through this testing and observation a reasonable conclusion can be drawn that we do, in fact, exist.
But that's a fallacy Shrafinater, Our existence doesn't = chance existence without God. I could also use our existence as evidence for us being created by God. It's unfalsifiable. Both are. I certainly know which one is more likely though, that's for sure.
If you request that the entire world be peaceful and free of hunger and strife, I'd say the chances of your request being granted are quite low.
But Christ said "you will always have the poor to give to".
Let me say what you wrote a different way:
"How can I be wrong when I KNOW I'm right?"
Exactly. We know we are right because we have the truth. Why should someone test whether they are eating an apple when they know they are?
How do you know?
It isn't the individual answered prayers that prove anything, mike. It is the success rate over time.
You have it backward. You are not looking at this the right way, you are seeing things backward, like when you read my name. "Proof" is only necessary for those who are not sure. Only someone with doubt will test for proof. S/He who has the truth would believe when all prayers went unanswered.
I mean, how many millions of people over thousands of years have prayed to God to stop all hunger, and to stop all war, and he has never seen fit to answer a single one of those prayers?
But he seems to listen to you. Why not pray for the end of hunger and war and see if he answers those prayers?
But these things must needs be, they are the beginning of sorrows, not by what I say though. I have prayed for such things though, and healings etc..You are right though, he listens to people - and you!
You make up excuses for why a failure is really a success.
What you are saying is that you actually didn't get the winning lottery numbers correct every single week, but you still claim a 100% success rate.
But I do recieve lottery every week, yet I wouldn't pray for such things. You have this backward, willingly. You see, I do not make excuses for prayers unanswered, as it is written, "Ask anything in my name, and if it be according to my will, so shall it be added unto you" (similar words). So, the ingredients for the cake are there to be read, in the ingredients. Nevertheless, my tally would be similar to specific manipulation of events, and similar to a lottery win monthly. I never get unanswered prayers, just un-interpreted answers. In Daniel, it says when he prayed, God had already "sent" the answer, and the evil spirit in the air stopped the request. Except you are willing to recieve, your doubt will hinder you.

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