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ringo
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Message 5 of 21 (374551)
01-04-2007 6:48 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by anastasia
01-04-2007 5:05 PM


Re: Is it ok to make a buck in church?
anastasia writes:
... I have never understood the big necessity of holding choir performances, baptism classes, sales and fundraisers right in the middle of the churches....
Hmm.... I would have drawn the line between "choir performances and baptism classes" and "sales and fundraisers" - the former belong in church, the latter do not.
You stop acting the part, you stop believing.
I suspect you didn't mean that quite the way it sounds

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Message 7 of 21 (374558)
01-04-2007 7:39 PM
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01-04-2007 7:23 PM


Re: Is it ok to make a buck in church?
anastasia writes:
Just another snap of your fingers and poof! you're a nominal Catholic.
Which is why some people **ahem** harp on the importance of being a Christian - i.e. living like a Christian - instead of just appearing to be a Christian - i.e. being seen going to and from church, professing the dogmas, etc.
Oddly enough, I think maybe that's what Jesus had against the moneychangers.
Do you really think He cares if you're "on time" or what you wear?

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Message 10 of 21 (374574)
01-04-2007 8:47 PM
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01-04-2007 8:03 PM


Re: Is it ok to make a buck in church?
anastasia writes:
... I have always felt that seeing other people take their faith to heart and act decent in church is pretty inspiring.
I've always been more inspired by how people act outside of church.
Do you suppose the moneychangers were the "pillars of the community" who sat in their special pews, assigned on the basis of their status? How else would they have the influence to conduct their business in the temple?
I'll mention it again: I think that maybe Jesus' reaction was based more on who they were and how they came to be there, rather than just on what they were doing.
From Monty Python's The Meaning of Life:
quote:
Chaplain: Let us praise God. O Lord...
Congregation: O Lord...
Chaplain: ...Ooh, You are so big...
Congregation: ...ooh, You are so big...
Chaplain: ...So absolutely huge.
Congregation: ...So absolutely huge.
Chaplain: Gosh, we're all really impressed down here, I can tell You.
Congregation: Gosh, we're all really impressed down here, I can tell You.
Chaplain: Forgive us, O Lord, for this, our dreadful toadying, and...
Congregation: And barefaced flattery.
Chaplain: But You are so strong and, well, just so super.
Congregation: Fantastic.
Humphrey: Amen.
Congregation: Amen.
Decorum ain't everything.

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Message 17 of 21 (380833)
01-29-2007 2:35 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Greatest I am
01-29-2007 12:07 AM


Re: Jesus had maners
Greatest I am writes:
Simple good taste is what I call the actions of Jesus.
Well, He didn't just "ask them to move along":
quote:
Joh 2:15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
Whipping people is "good taste"?
Now if like Jesus, you were a Rabi, or a priest etc. Would your anger not be even larger.
I thought priests and rabbis were supposed to be less angry.
(I might go so far as to say Jesus sinned when He drove the moneychangers out of the temple.)

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Message 19 of 21 (380960)
01-29-2007 1:58 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Archer Opteryx
01-29-2007 6:13 AM


Re: corner on the market
Archer Opterix writes:
-- The same Temple authorities that refused all other currencies were also the only source of Temple currency and the sole authorities for setting the exchange rate.
It was a scam and everybody knew it.
This is the part that seems bogus to me:
-- Torah prohibitions against 'graven images' meant that none of the world's currencies were legal tender on Temple grounds.
Misuse of the "graven images" law propped up their Temple Bucks monopoly.

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