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Hangdawg13
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Message 17 of 62 (116231)
06-17-2004 10:23 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by almeyda
06-17-2004 3:00 AM


Well, I think all these posts have undoubtedly established the fact that evil exists in the world EVERYWHERE.
Just for grins I wonder what evil atheists are responsible for? Does anyone have any information on that?
Off the top of my head, I know of some atheist PETA idiots who started violent rallys, and people against the WTO have started some violent demonstartions. What else have radicle atheists done?
Perhaps the greatest evil that atheists are guilty of is ignoring the fact that evil is, has, and always will exist. They get us to lay down our absolute moral standards one by one destroying us from the inside, while all those radicles out there lay siege waiting to destroy us from the outside in our weakness.

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Hangdawg13
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Message 21 of 62 (116251)
06-17-2004 11:26 PM
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06-17-2004 10:29 PM


Jar do you believe in an absolute moral standard of truth?

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Hangdawg13
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Message 22 of 62 (116252)
06-17-2004 11:28 PM
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06-17-2004 10:30 PM


Evil exists everywhere that God has been removed from the hearts and minds of men.

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Hangdawg13
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Message 24 of 62 (116254)
06-17-2004 11:33 PM
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06-17-2004 10:45 PM


Evil is the term people use to describe the behavior of people who will do things that they would never consider nor have the stomach to participate in under normal circumstances.It is a description and not an independent entity that influences.
This is your subjective opinon.
Evil only exists in the world of mankind and the struggles between their competing vanities and dreams.Eliminate mankind and nature would operate without a concept of evil moving finished and complete.
Do you think you are above all of this? Do you think if people just rose above all their "vanities and dreams" like you that evil would cease to exist? If non-humans are the only untainted creatures, should we destroy ourselves for theirsake? Sigh... atheists cannot objectively evaluate truth because they are too impressed with their own intellect...

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Hangdawg13
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Message 53 of 62 (116548)
06-18-2004 6:10 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by JonF
06-18-2004 9:45 AM


Many people derive moral principles from their own internal feelings and respect for others.
Aha! this is where many people also derive immoral principles. You are saying all standards of right and wrong are based on our own subjective perceptions of reality, which can be very skewed by emotion, personal bias, and personal arrogance.
as we have seen, some people drive immoral principles from the Bible, the Q'uran, or any other religious book or principle.
As you have just stated people derive their principles (moral or immoral from their own subjective experience). People often take their principles and put the face of a religion on it to acquire more followers, instead of actually following that religion's original moral standard.
You need to find morality and respect for others from within or you're just putting on a false face.
What?!? How can you objectively evaluate your own subjectivity??? This is stupid! True objectivity is looking to a source outside yourself for moral truth. Subjectivity is looking either to your own experience, emotions, or feelings. Subjectivity also looks to religion to try to fit it with your own experience, emotions, or feelings: THIS IS HOW RELIGIONS BECOME RADICLE!!!

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Hangdawg13
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Message 57 of 62 (116571)
06-18-2004 7:37 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by jar
06-18-2004 6:22 PM


Re: You keep bringing stuff like this up,
Sleeping Dragon and I had a long, long, exhausting debate on this in the thread on Satan and evil. I don't want to go into it again.
I'm glad you do believe in an absolute moral truth. I was beginning to think... well nevermind.

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