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Parasomnium
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Message 5 of 301 (395649)
04-17-2007 9:53 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by ICANT
04-15-2007 11:32 PM


It's not a choice
ICANT writes:
Why should I choose Atheism and Evolution over God and Creation?
The fact that you think about these matters in terms of "choosing" is telling. It's not as if an atheist is someone who may well believe in God, but nevertheless chooses to not believe in God anyway.
So I would not say you should "choose" atheism. What you should do instead is try and think critically about life, the universe and everything. Question what you think you know about it, question what others - creationists and evolutionists alike - tell you about it, and then make up your own mind.
If God exists and gave you a brain, then he probably meant for you to use it. And if God does not exist, then the fact that you have a brain that can be awe-inspired is... well, awe-inspiring I guess. Both possibilities are equally exhilarating, but for me the latter is much more intellectually satisfying.
Whatever it is you end up with, it will give you peace of mind. Personally, I ended up with atheism, because I cannot reconcile what I see around me with the notion of a supernatural being, let alone with the notion of the omnipotent, omniscient, and above all omnibenevolent God of the Bible.
As for "choosing" evolution over creation: every time you turn to the smut pages of your local tabloid, you are reminded of the fact of your mammalian ancestry. That alone should make you think about whether evolution might have something going for it after all.
So if you allow yourself, you might be convinced of evolution, or you might not, as the case may be. But whatever you do, do not treat it as a choice.

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Parasomnium
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Message 46 of 301 (395880)
04-18-2007 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by ICANT
04-17-2007 10:42 PM


It's not a choice, nor a calculation
ICANT writes:
What would be the BENEFIT [...] in not believing in God and His creation and instead believing that there is no God and we just happened?
ICANT,
You already seem to know how it benefits you to believe in God. Suppose we were able to convince you how it would benefit you if you would "embrace" atheism. (Mind you, that's not the same thing as supposing that we convince you of the truth of atheism, merely of the benefits of its acceptance.) You would then be able to weigh the pros and cons of either believing in God or becoming an atheist.
Are you seriously suggesting that such a calculation would be your basis for what you would subsequently believe? Your question certainly seems to indicate as much. Would it make any difference if you considered that only one of the options can be true? I mean, how can anyone blindly accept the result of a calculation if they don't factor in the possible truth values of the different outcomes? Or worse, if they do factor them in - i.e. recognize their logical necessity - but do not let them influence their decision of what to believe?
This really goes against all reason for me.

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.
Did you know that most of the time your computer is doing nothing? What if you could make it do something really useful? Like helping scientists understand diseases? Your computer could even be instrumental in finding a cure for HIV/AIDS. Wouldn't that be something? If you agree, then join World Community Grid now and download a simple, free tool that lets you and your computer do your share in helping humanity. After all, you are part of it, so why not take part in it?

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Parasomnium
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Message 104 of 301 (396305)
04-19-2007 3:31 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by ICANT
04-19-2007 3:19 PM


Re: (maybe) Everything in Life is (not) a Choice
ICANT writes:
If I believe that man evolved from a single cell life form that no one knows where, how or why it exists in a Universe that came from an infinitely small nothing, I have to discard the Bible completely
Only if you take it literally. But why don't you consider the possibility that God is a poet who tells you a nice parable to get his point across?

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.
Did you know that most of the time your computer is doing nothing? What if you could make it do something really useful? Like helping scientists understand diseases? Your computer could even be instrumental in finding a cure for HIV/AIDS. Wouldn't that be something? If you agree, then join World Community Grid now and download a simple, free tool that lets you and your computer do your share in helping humanity. After all, you are part of it, so why not take part in it?

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