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Legal Death, Legal Life, Personhood and Abortion

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Dr Jack
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02-02-2005 6:47 AM 		Reply to: Message 1 by RAZD
01-29-2005 9:52 AM

I've been staying away from this one for a while now, but I can't resist...
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Nice article, RAZD, but IMO completely tangential to the question of abortion1. As I see it the only issue in the question of abortion is the woman; is it right to force a women to use her body as an incubator against her wishes? It isn't about the fetus, it isn't about it's moral status, it's about the right of the woman to choose what happens with her body.
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1Those who have frequented this site for a long time may realise this is a change of position for me. Congratulations to those who convinced me.
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02-03-2005 5:13 AM 		Reply to: Message 66 by RAZD
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Re: thanks Mr Jack
I don't think it is completely tangential, as this gives a rational basis for that decision: a zygote or a blastocyst does not meet the requirements for {a human life} as opposed to a {single\mass} of {living but not particularly special} cell{s}.
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There's no need for such a justification. Whether or not the baby is human we have right to force her to continue to act as an incubator against her wishes.
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Continuing beyond the point when you know you are pregnant is making a decision to continue. Further anyone engaging in protected sex should have all the equipment necessary for that protection on hand, whether it is night before protection or morning after protection, it should be there with the commitment to use it.
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People have the right to change their minds. Whether protection was sought, used, ignored or failed makes no difference - we have no right to force a women to act as an incubator against her wishes.
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02-03-2005 7:26 AM 		Reply to: Message 82 by RAZD
02-03-2005 7:13 AM

Re: thanks Mr Jack
Actually it is more than just an incubator -- that is a passive participant, whereas the role of the female is very active in the production and develpment of the zygote to the fetus. Think about it, there is massive change going on that involves not only sufficient nutrients and a cosy environment (incubator) but monitoring and application of key hormones and a whole platform of support structures.
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I figured just saying 'incubator' would save a few words, but you are quite correct.
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