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mike the wiz
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Message 13 of 141 (139591)
09-03-2004 2:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by sidelined
09-02-2004 10:36 PM


What event or state of mind convinced you of the existence of God and if you questioned this event/state of mind what eventually convinced you of the validity of the experience?
Jesus Christ. If there was no Jesus Christ, I'd probably believe something similar to Einstein. I feel, yes feel, a religiosity towards certain things. I don't remember a time when I didn't believe there is God, but I guess I was a very "weak" believer till about age 18. But I think that it's reasonable to deduce that I am a natural believer. (I see God as a given, and nothing could change that). I evn get more offended for God than me. I guess you could call me a religious bloke despite my lack of religious living. (no rituals, church going etc).
Did you in anyway investigate into the possibilty of self-deception and other means of fooling yourself such as confirmation bias,wishful thinking,selective thinking,post hoc reasoning etc..?
There's no point, I'd still believe if I had nothing. That's the way I am. I think you could even call it an evolutionary religious trait if you want. I don't know.
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mike the wiz
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Message 17 of 141 (139929)
09-04-2004 5:44 PM
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09-04-2004 5:22 PM


Re: [
I thought you might enjoy that suggestion. And it's entirely plausible that infact I am born religious, or with this trait, because it is a bizarrity I wish to understand more. I really would like an answer as to why I am so like this. (born religious) Or simply deem "no God" as a total impossibility.
For example, it's like saying to me, "a person is 2d" ie. it's like suggesting the impossible.
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mike the wiz
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Message 19 of 141 (140343)
09-06-2004 1:07 PM
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09-05-2004 9:10 PM


Re: [
Some good questions there. To be honest though; I'd rather not defend an evolutionary trait I am not sure evn exists.
Why would he design his people such that some of us would not be born with the tendency or ability to believe, no matter how much we wanted to?
The thing is though, that I refer to a trait in regard to the natural aspect of my religiosity. I was NOT clear in my post. I am pretty sure that without the trait you could still believe. But to be honest, I only mentioned th trait and said "if you want" - as in, I think it's likely that evolutionists may well just explain the natural religiosity through this trait.
And so, I am not really even particularly "in favour" of this religious trait, I just suggest it as what your side might want to explain it as.
mike writes:
" I think you could even call it an evolutionary religious trait if you want. I don't know. "
So, I am trying to be objective, and bring in a possible evolutionistic explanation. I certainly am not sure enough to defend the trait notion, and still have my doubts that it is the answer. But I'm not a total fool that I should give no credence to possible explanations.
Another explanation might be that it simply my personality.
So, I am not qualified to answer your queries. Sorry for my over-babble.

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mike the wiz
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Message 24 of 141 (140433)
09-06-2004 5:35 PM
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09-06-2004 3:04 PM


Re: [
Ahaha. It's Unseuly unreuly, come to destroy me. I'm chuffed you posted!
I was just thinking when typing that previous post, that this very much sounds like the "Unseul Philosophy".
Now in our much larger society our leader figures are usually far removed from us, but we still have that need for a close leader figure, god seems to slip in quite nicely here
While I can see your point, and it might indeed explain the natural aspects of belief, or some of them, - I cannot rule out that infact we are "made" to believe? Though maybe this still doesn't rule out the Unseul philosophy. Maybe it even agrees with it. But I really am speculating on things I don't know that much about.
For those that are interested things are still going well in s.america, and im home in about 3 weeks,
Live long and seek prosperous habitations amongst strange nations! Keep ur baba in check, lest I spank it!

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mike the wiz
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Message 116 of 141 (142601)
09-15-2004 7:25 PM
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09-09-2004 4:22 AM


Re: Brilliant
Thereafter followed the most astounding three pages of the usual testamonial dialogue that either completely failed to address the questions or completely confirmed your unstated premise.
Well, why am I obliged to "test" my God anyway? Because you say so?
If I choose to have faith and not doubt, then Gilgamesh is dissapointed in me.(I can bare this ) However, if I choose to have faith? "Have faith in God", I please God.
Nevertheless, I have heard all about post-hoc reasoning and confirmation bias, it is not compatible with biblical scripture....If anything, it preacheth "doubt". Now basically, you're cooking and icing and buffing up "doubt" - cook it, ice it, dice it and slice it; tart it all day, but you ain't gonna get a sail here.
He that has truth and faith, is not going to want of the dung any longer. If I have good steak and cakes, will I return to sucking upon the dung heaps? I urge that you de-sensitize yourself to doubt, fellow servant.

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