Thanks Bluejay,
I understand that a lot better with that analogy.
The only problem is many people that use the uncreated creater arrgument claim to know "what makes God an albino crow" and circle back to "The uncaused uncreated creator is the only possability givin 'he' or 'it' created everything" it makes no sense to me personally, I don't know if it is because I am a realist, they are just stupid, or some other reason not known to me?