Is Christ cruel? (For member Schrafinator)

Why would it not follow that these people were created and given the same choice as everyone else...only that they chose not to make? Just because God knows what we ultimately will decide to do does not make Him responsible for our eventual decision.He would only be responsible if there were no opt out available. fess up, J. Davis. We have you surrounded!This message has been edited by Phatboy, 06-02-2005 01:22 AM

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"It is as impossible for man to demonstrate the existence of God as it would be for even Sherlock Holmes to demonstrate the existence of Arthur Conan Doyle."
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"Religion points to that area of human experience where in one way or another man comes upon mystery as a summons to pilgrimage."
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"People are prepared for everything except for the fact that beyond the darkness of their blindness there is a great light. They are prepared to go on breaking their backs plowing the same old field until the cows come home without seeing, until they stub their toes on it, that there is a treasure buried in that field rich enough to buy Texas. They are prepared for a God who strikes hard bargains but not for a God who gives as much for an hour's work as for a day's. They are prepared for a mustard-seed kingdom of God no bigger than the eye of a newt but not for the great banyan it becomes with birds in its branches singing Mozart. They are prepared for the potluck supper at First Presbyterian but not for the marriage supper of the lamb".Frederick Buechner

And I would think that God judges based on the true intentions of the heart. Even if a non-believer was unable to accept the rationality of insufficient evidence, they would have tried. They were being as honest as they could possibly be with what was given to them. They would not be necessarily damned to eternal banishment or torment. they would probably get a chance to reconsider in light of the final evidence that god was real---irregardless. (assuming that He is real, of course. )

I don't see the link between "all knowing" and "responsible for all destinies" that you attribute to be the responsibility of God.Is God responsible for what I say to you? Why can't I have any responsibility in the matter? Ask yourself that same question...oh I forgot that you don't believe in Him. So your argument is a mute point! No? And your point is....(?) Therefore the court orders God to serve 20 days! Sound ridiculous? I mean, blame anything and everything on Him! He died for us,right? All sin was taken by Him, right? So blame it ALL on Him! Yell and scream at Him! I think that you set Him up to be cruel and barbaric as a counterweight to your idea of yourself who you think to be human and somewhat loving, No? Then you can do away with all cruelty and barbarism by naming it as the human trait of religion!! Thus continues your war against organized religion! What I believe that you do not see is the fact that wishing something away does not make it cease to exist if it is not created within your own imagination!*Blink*I cannot believe I just said that!I have just declared myself to be a potential atheist!!Now what will I do with my life!Did I or did I not disprove the need to believe??*chuckle*Oh wait....I thought that I was Rrhain for a second! Sorry Brian! Now what were we talking about? Even IF the crucifixion was cruel, I maintain that it was necessary.
God is responsible...nay culpable, right?? After all, God created all of those who put His incarnate Son on the cross..and are we not ALL sons and daughters? Edited by AdminPhat, : spelling

Careful, Brian! There may yet be another plot twist yet to come!
News Flash:
Theology professor, assuming Bible to be a book of fairytales for grownups, nevertheless finds himself trying to be a beliver if only to prove the point that it cannot be done once the rational mind has debunked the same! Quote: But God! You simply cannot exist! I am hallucinating of course!Funny thing, though...I just can't drink enough stout to get this blasted boring fairytale out of my mind! Why DID I choose to become a theology professor anyway??Brian, why DID you decide to study theology??

Then lets all mutiney, I say! Throw all of the Bibles overboard and line all of the fundie christians up to walk the plank! We will sail into a brave and exciting new world! Think about what it will be like! This message has been edited by Phatboy, 06-13-2005 06:05 AM