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Author Topic:   Open Question For Jerry Falwell (and those who agree with him)
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Message 16 of 180 (289504)
02-22-2006 9:51 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Parasomnium
02-22-2006 9:44 AM


Re: Bump: Editing by AdminPhat
It so happens that prism_tempest is a personal friend of mine, the editing was merely to clear up a couple of spelling mistakes and highlight the quote he provided.
I can understand your intellectual need to "police" administrators, but you really should get all of your facts straight before doing so, Parasomnium!

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Message 19 of 180 (289516)
02-22-2006 10:10 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Parasomnium
02-22-2006 9:56 AM


One big happy
OK, Parasomnium, Im sorry! I was offended that you questioned me, but perhaps I DID need to add by edit in order to clarify my intent. You guys had no way of knowing that I knew Prism!
Very well, lets carry on, shall we?

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Message 33 of 180 (306401)
04-25-2006 4:01 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by DeclinetoState
04-22-2006 2:06 PM


farewell to fundie politics
Clevr Alias writes:
This question is for anyone who feels the same way Mr. Falwell does.
Oops. That leave me out! The only thing as bad as Jerry Fallwell is Jerry Springer!
Dan writes:
If God is willing to slam airplanes into buildings to express his displeasure with homosexuals, then why is he not willing to, say, cause it to rain on the day of a massive gay pride parade?
The flowers need water and some of the guys need a bath!
Alias writes:
So God's willing to take an active, murderous (or at least manslaughterous) hand in the fate of America because of our attitude toward homosexuals, but he won't whistle up a storm cloud or two to send everybody home when we come out to say "gays are ok"? I mean, c'mon... as far as discouraging people goes, there's a reason the phrase "rain on their parade" is a classic.
The rain falls on the just and the unjust alike. Expecting it to produce some flowers and trees out of the dirt and manure on the ground!
we have not had any good gay rights threads since Lam left!
Maybe you should start one, Dan!

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Message 36 of 180 (306435)
04-25-2006 8:21 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by ohnhai
04-25-2006 4:32 AM


The Devil did NOT make me do it
Ohnhai writes:
No God or Devil does this to us. We do. Out of supidity, hate, greed, fear and intollerance. There is no reason to invoke higherpowers in any of it.
Taking responsibility for the decisions that I make! What a concept!
I won't rule out the possibility of a spiritual "warfare" dynamic, as I have believed that it does occur.
I WILL say: (For the record)
1) We become the decisions that we make.
2) God desires that we trust Him....but He has given us minds for a reason, after all! The scripture says:
NIV writes:
Prov 3:5-7
Trust in the LORD with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding;
in all your ways acknowledge him,
and he will make your paths straight.
Do not be wise in your own eyes;
fear the LORD and shun evil.

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Message 39 of 180 (306456)
04-25-2006 9:26 AM
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04-25-2006 9:11 AM


If I may address the issue of the source
At the risk of causing this topic to spiral out of control, I want to address the issue of the source of wisdom for a moment.
Of course, Falwell (and others) claim God as their source of wisdom yet all too often use their own fallible and biased opinions when speaking out in public.
Ohnhai writes:
Surely Prov 3:5-7 (as quoted) says ”don’t make you own mind up on this or anything, do only as the lord says, or he will spank you?’. Where is mind, or free will for that matter in any of that?
Quite simply, I am showcasing two basic views on free will and mind:
View#1: Free Will is unencumbered by religious dogma and the imposition of ethics or morality on a freely thinking individual.
View#2: Presupposing that God exists, is loving, and wants the best for us within His basic commandment of Love the Lord with all thine heart, soul, mind, and strength... Freewill is more narrowly defined as freedom to obey or reject an absolute.
Ohnhai, you well know that we have gotten into these issues concerning God (Is He or Is He not?) religion (legislation of morality or exclusion of any religion from public education)
and free speech (the right to speak versus the right to hear or not hear in context...)
and you know we will be discussing these same things many years from now! I enjoy the interchange, however! How ya doin, by the way?
Drop by chat this morning if you have a spare moment!

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