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Phat
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Message 4 of 80 (80603)
01-25-2004 7:36 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Stephen ben Yeshua
01-25-2004 7:13 AM


Re: Hot Air?Perhaps the Breath of Life!
Stephen: Greetings. You said in your opening statement that "Now, this will work best if some of the persons participating in the discussion and the experiments have some faith to begin with. We would also need some real skeptics. Who knows, perhaps God will bend over backwards to show a skeptic a thing or two." This reminded me of the following scriptures:Matt 16:2-4
He replied, "When evening comes, you say, 'It will be fair weather, for the sky is red,' 3 and in the morning, 'Today it will be stormy, for the sky is red and overcast.' You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times. 4 A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a miraculous sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah." Jesus then left them and went away.
Notice how Jesus says that a generation that seeks a sign is a wicked one. Is He implying that any skeptic is wicked? No because a skeptic is not a believer. Jonah was in the belly of the fish for three days. Jesus was dead for three days before He rose. Perhaps in Christian terminology, prayer is not prayer without a belief in a source to pray to. For the skeptics, how can they pray if they already doubt the source? Or are you suggesting that they pray like this:
God, I doubt that You are a reality, and I have yet to see You manifest in any way that I can see. I am gonna give this experiment a fair shake, however, so If You are real, move the table one inch.
Amen. Heck, if You are real, prove it to me! I dare ya!

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Phat
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Message 9 of 80 (80657)
01-25-2004 1:36 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Percy
01-25-2004 1:21 PM


Re: Hot Air?
Now, Percy! You have demonstrated to me why it is so hard for some people to even have faith.
1) Some of us use Faith as our bedrock. Our prerequisite. Then we examine the facts and theories. Yes, we are not scientists..we are theologians.
2) The scientific minded among you need facts as your bedrock. Faith will not even start in you without facts. Us Faithmongers pray that God will smite you with a small stick to awaken your faith. You and your scientific friends wish that we were not so blind to the facts which keep us from advancing intellectually so as not to have to rely on myths to sustain our hope in humanity. Just because a belief is unsupported by facts does not make it a myth. I will try and trust facts a bit more, but I ask you to step out on a limb of faith beyond the obvious...both of us may grow like those little seedlings!

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Phat
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Message 11 of 80 (80672)
01-25-2004 2:35 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Percy
01-25-2004 2:10 PM


Re: Hot Air?
OK...Gotcha, Percy. I see what you are saying.

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