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Dan Carroll
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Message 14 of 86 (114415)
06-11-2004 10:26 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by Silent H
06-11-2004 8:58 AM


Re: forgot about AIDs
A word on the subject from C. Everett Koop. The "five years" he's referring to in the passage below are from 1981 to 1986.
But for some reason, due to intradepartmental politics that I still cannot truly understand or explain to you, I was cut off from AIDS discussions or statements over the next five years. But I did have a very definite impression about what was going on on Pennsylvania Avenue. Domestic policy in the White House isolated Ronald Reagan from the whole subject of AIDS. And because transmission of AIDS was understood primarily in the homosexual population and in those who abused intravenous drugs, the advisors to the President took the stand, they are only getting what they justly deserve.
Here is the text of the whole 2001 speech that passage comes from, if anyone wants proper context.

"Egos drone and pose alone, Like black balloons, all banged and blown
On a backwards river the infidels shiver in the stench of belief.
And tell my mama I'm a hundred years late; I'm over the rails and out of the race
The crippled songs of an age that won't thaw are ringing in my ears"
-Beck

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Dan Carroll
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Message 18 of 86 (114462)
06-11-2004 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Silent H
06-11-2004 12:52 PM


Re: forgot about AIDs
Koop will always have a special place in my heart for being the first person in government to stand up and say, "Jesus people, use a freakin' condom, all right?"

"Egos drone and pose alone, Like black balloons, all banged and blown
On a backwards river the infidels shiver in the stench of belief.
And tell my mama I'm a hundred years late; I'm over the rails and out of the race
The crippled psalms of an age that won't thaw are ringing in my ears"
-Beck

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Dan Carroll
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Message 20 of 86 (114475)
06-11-2004 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Silent H
06-11-2004 1:47 PM


Did he actually say those words at some point, or are you just saying he forced them to confront the issue of condom use? If he said those words I'd really have to hang a poster of that guy on my wall.
No, no, he just took a stand. If he'd actually used those words, I wouldn't be on this forum. I'd be way to busy staking out his house and yelling "I LOVE YOU, KOOP!"
It was like reading bizzaro-Koop when Satcher started speaking. I couldn't believe his concern was that we make sure we don't offend anyone with science, thus they have to have meetings with ultra-conservatives and ultra-liberals to understand how to correctly apply science. The facts are the facts ya idiot!
Oy... my favorite of these was a couple years back, when the surgeon general (whose name escapes me) released a study stating that there was no evidence whatsoever to suggest that abstinence education accomplished anything at all, and no evidence whatsoever to suggest that a gay person could be turned straight, and the White House started in with the song and dance about how "this is not the kind of message we want to be sending."
Up next, Bush makes clear that he does not want to send the message that the sky is blue.

"Egos drone and pose alone, Like black balloons, all banged and blown
On a backwards river the infidels shiver in the stench of belief.
And tell my mama I'm a hundred years late; I'm over the rails and out of the race
The crippled psalms of an age that won't thaw are ringing in my ears"
-Beck

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