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Topic: The Unbended Curved Bar Space Slugout Thread
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RickJB
Member (Idle past 5020 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: 04-14-2006
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Message 217 of 413 (482968)
09-19-2008 10:08 AM
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Reply to: Message 27 by cavediver
09-10-2008 2:31 PM
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Cavediver, Hi, could you explain what would happen at r<3m? Did you get around to explaining this? Would the figures appear to move closer to each other for the man in the corridor? Cheers- Edited by RickJB, : No reason given. Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.
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RickJB
Member (Idle past 5020 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: 04-14-2006
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Message 222 of 413 (482990)
09-19-2008 1:10 PM
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Reply to: Message 218 by cavediver
09-19-2008 11:33 AM
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Cavediver writes: No, you wouldn't see any figures any more because as with r>3M, the corridor is curved. However, now it curves the wrong way (i.e. if the blak hole is to your left, the corridor curves away to the right) Ah ha! I understand now, thanks. Sounds like a fun idea for an animation... Edited by RickJB, : No reason given. Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.
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RickJB
Member (Idle past 5020 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: 04-14-2006
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Message 280 of 413 (483288)
09-21-2008 12:41 PM
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Reply to: Message 277 by Buzsaw
09-21-2008 11:46 AM
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Re: Incompetent Or Nonconformist?
Buz writes: I agree, except that my space model has properties... You don't have a model. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Buz writes: I am competent enough to remain unempirically refuted/KO'd thus far, one vs a dozen or so of counterparts having lasted in the space sluggout ring for going on 10 rounds. You been refuted countless times. You just refuse to accept it. You truly have no idea how out of your depth you are, Buz. "In seeking wisdom thou art wise; in imagining that thou hast attained it, thou art a fool." - Rabbi Ben Azai
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RickJB
Member (Idle past 5020 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: 04-14-2006
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Message 301 of 413 (483751)
09-24-2008 4:16 AM
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Reply to: Message 298 by Buzsaw
09-23-2008 9:12 PM
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Re: Burden of Proof
Buz writes: All the kings horses and all the kings men have yet to empirically establish that forces and energy can be a property of space, allowing for it's curvature and expansion. Best go tell that to NASA and the ESA who use General Relativity. I'm sure they'll be very interested to hear your objections..... GR has been empirically established countless times. It gives a degree of accuracy far greater than "flat" Newtonian mechanics. How many times does this simple fact have to be conveyed to you? Edited by RickJB, : No reason given. Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.
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RickJB
Member (Idle past 5020 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: 04-14-2006
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Message 328 of 413 (484064)
09-26-2008 4:09 AM
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Reply to: Message 325 by Buzsaw
09-25-2008 11:38 PM
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Re: Bent Bars and the Man of Steel
Buz writes: Again, what I am saying is that there is an area of the universe's infinite space where there is matter, energy, and forces. The bar would go through that area and continue on into the infinite space of the universe straight and uncurved. I just can't get over the fact that you truly think your hunches trump the work of people with a deep knowledge of the subject combined with a huge amount of natural talent for mathematics. If you can show your work the Nobel prize is yours, Buz!
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RickJB
Member (Idle past 5020 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: 04-14-2006
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Message 359 of 413 (484264)
09-27-2008 12:33 PM
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Reply to: Message 331 by Buzsaw
09-26-2008 9:32 PM
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Re: Bent Bars and the Man of Steel
Buz writes: Too many of the messages in this thread have been repetition of the credentials of my debate counterparts, such as this message which says nothing, nada, in refutation of my message. Your "message" refutes itself because you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
Buz writes: Rick, do you have anything to say about the substance of my message. Your "message" has no substance because you have no idea what you are talking about. My grasp of GR is very basic, but I accept that there are people out there with far more mathematical talent than myself who have discovered and successfully tested it. My ignorance does not trump their knowledge. Incidentally, when will you address the fact that General Relativity is being used right now in labs and universities across the world and giving accurate results? Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.
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RickJB
Member (Idle past 5020 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: 04-14-2006
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Message 371 of 413 (484312)
09-27-2008 6:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 362 by Buzsaw
09-27-2008 5:04 PM
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Re: Bent Bars and the Man of Steel
Buz writes: My position is not that GR is not useful and/or scientific. It is that the mystique of it can allow for it to be used and/or abused for the basis of assumed hypothesis which is debatable. It has nothing to do with mystique. The old Newtonian model of space was, in Einstein's time, found to be inaccurate. GR rectified that by describing gravity as the curvature of space-time. GR gives more accurate results than Newtonian mechanics. Every test done with GR since has confirmed that space-time itself undergoes curvature. Have a look at this link. It has a great explanation of the concept. "If gravity is a "curvature of space" rather than a force, why do a ball and bullet follow different paths?" Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.
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RickJB
Member (Idle past 5020 days) Posts: 917 From: London, UK Joined: 04-14-2006
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Message 377 of 413 (484385)
09-28-2008 4:05 AM
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Reply to: Message 373 by onifre
09-27-2008 10:51 PM
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Re: Bent Bars and the Man of Steel
Onifre writes: Actually Rick, the orbiting of the planets predicted by GR are almost exactly the same as those predicted by the Newtonian theory of gravity. The biggest deviation was Mercury because it is closest to the Sun and feels the most gravity. Yes, I am aware of this. I should have detailed my use of the word "inaccurate". Edited by RickJB, : No reason given.
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