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Dr Jack
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Message 53 of 65 (56456)
09-19-2003 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by John
09-19-2003 9:05 AM


Re: And...
This also undercuts the doctrine of original sin, which is fundamental to christianity, dating, as the doctrine does, all the way back to the beginning of Genesis. We are all born guilty. Why should we not therefore all be punished?
You do realise that many Christian groups and denominations don't hold to the doctrine of original sin, don't you?

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Dr Jack
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Message 55 of 65 (56488)
09-19-2003 11:27 AM
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09-19-2003 11:22 AM


Re: And...
You've got my attention. I thought it was fundamental to all branches of Christianity.
I'm not too sure of the details, but I know none of the churchs I went to ever held to it. We tended to view it as a freaky Catholic thing. That was a Baptist church, but I don't know whether it was a general Baptist belief, or just the church I went to - but I assume that's one of the reasons they don't practice infant baptism. My mother's an ordained priest in the Church of England, and she doesn't believe it either. But the CoE's exceedingly broad in the range of beliefs it will accept, so again I don't know whether it is a core belief or not.
The view I was raised with was that no-one is without sin because humans are incapable of leading perfect lives, not because they are born that way.

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Dr Jack
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Message 58 of 65 (56897)
09-22-2003 6:03 AM
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09-19-2003 7:36 PM


Re: And...
I don't see how it can NOT be a part of Christianity. For example, Romans 5:12.
Not all Christians hold the bible to be complete and literal truth. I'm not saying it's not part of Christianity, I'm saying not all Christians believe it.
Luther and Calvin accepted it, so it isn't just Catholic weirdness. Augustine accepted it. Tertullian alluded to it. Origen taught it...
I'm just telling you what we thought. It is certainly not a fundemental part of all Christianity, although some may hold it as such.

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