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Sylas
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Message 39 of 74 (107356)
05-11-2004 4:37 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by Adminnemooseus
05-11-2004 2:22 AM


Article from Awake magazine
Adminnemooseus writes:
Lastly, I must suspect there is some reference(s) that you have pulled all this from. I find it hard to believe that you consulted all those individual references (and I say this having only skimmed the message real fast and lightly). Please supply any specific references that you have pulled the ideas/text from.
Adminniemooseus... the source was given in the original post. It is Awake magazine, a publication of the Jehovah's Witnesses. The publication date was given as "sept 22, 1986". It is not on-line, as far as I can tell. My guess is that the material was transcribed. I had a look as well when the post appeared, pegged it as a transcription, and did not bother to comment.
I have more details, which I will add in edit. Stand by.

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Sylas
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From: Newcastle, Australia
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Message 46 of 74 (107485)
05-11-2004 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by rickrose
05-11-2004 2:08 PM


Little blue boxes; and much else.
See Message 1
Also, can you have a look at your long set of quoted extracts, in Message 35? I think you have omitted to credit at least one of your sources. If you are using a secondary source that has compiled these together, you should acknowledge that as well.
Thanks -- Sylas

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Sylas
Member (Idle past 5290 days)
Posts: 766
From: Newcastle, Australia
Joined: 11-17-2002


Message 49 of 74 (107497)
05-11-2004 2:37 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Sylas
05-11-2004 4:37 AM


Re: Article from Awake magazine
Sylas writes:
Adminniemooseus... the source was given in the original post. It is Awake magazine, a publication of the Jehovah's Witnesses. The publication date was given as "sept 22, 1986". It is not on-line, as far as I can tell. My guess is that the material was transcribed. I had a look as well when the post appeared, pegged it as a transcription, and did not bother to comment.
I have more details, which I will add in edit. Stand by.
Here are some more details.
Message 35 contains extracts from "Awake!" magazine, published by Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York. The extracts are acknowledged.
The first extract is apparently from an article entitled "The Radiocarbon Clock", in the September 22 issue, most likely on pages 21 to 26; and the second extract is from the April 8 issue, 1972.
The curious thing about these extracts is that same pairing of articles appears in some Usenet posts. For example, this post by a "richmac" (Richard Mackenzie) has the same pairing of articles. However, the Usenet article begins with an additional article from the 1986 issue, and the post here concludes with some additional material from an unknown source.
The Usenet article by Richard is available on google here:
http://groups.google.com.au/groups?selm=36fd187c.64923567...
I have not been able to locate the additional paragraphs, which refer to "D. Earl Nelson". However, I have found an on-line copy in Italian! See DATAZIONE - parte 2.
Anno pi anno meno...
Solo quest’anno Science News, in un articolo intitolato Nuove date per utensili ‘primitivi’, diceva:
Quattro manufatti di osso che si pensava fornissero la prova che l’uomo occup l’America del Nord circa 30.000 anni fa hanno, al massimo, solo 3.000 anni circa, riferiscono l’archeologo D. Earl Nelson della Simon Fraser University della Columbia Britannica e i suoi colleghi in SCIENCE del 9 maggio. . . .
La differenza nelle stime delle et fra i due tipi di campioni di carbonio dello stesso osso a dir poco significativa. Per esempio, a uno ‘scarnatoio’ usato per staccare la carne dalle pelli animali era stata attribuita inizialmente, col metodo del radiocarbonio, un’et di circa 27.000 anni. Ora quell’et stata riveduta e l’oggetto avrebbe circa 1.350 anni. (10 maggio 1986)
Compare with rickrose's extract:
Just this year Science News, under the title New Dates for ‘Early’ Tools, reported: Four bone artifacts thought to provide evidence for human occupation of North America approximately 30,000 years ago are, at most, only about 3,000 years old, report archaeologist D. Earl Nelson of Simon Fraser University in British Columbia and his colleagues in the May 9 SCIENCE. . . .
The difference in age estimates between the two types of carbon samples from the same bone is, to say the least, significant. For example, a ‘flesher’ used to remove flesh from animal skins was first given a radiocarbon age of 27,000 years old. That age has now been revised to about 1,350 years old."-May 10, 1986.
Note that even the strange capitalization of SCIENCE is the same. Clearly, there is a source behind this, which needs to be acknowledged to remain consistent with the guidelines.
Cheers -- Sylas

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