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Author Topic:   The "Axioms" Of Nature
lyx2no
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Message 83 of 297 (486624)
10-23-2008 8:42 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by Dawn Bertot
10-23-2008 7:14 AM


There can be only One
As I can define "unwilling" as "Unable to overcome their reluctance" and "unable" as "unwilling to exert the effort" I'm thinking Spock was just being gabby that day. Merely by coarsening his filter he could have reduced the possibilities to one (which, however?). In the obverse, were he to refine his filter he could, as others have shown, increase the possibilities to many. Is the grade of your filter somehow better then mine, or are you just more insistent?

Kindly
When I was young I loved everything about cigarettes: the smell, the taste, the feel . everything. Now that I’m older I’ve had a change of heart. Want to see the scar?

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lyx2no
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Message 118 of 297 (486703)
10-23-2008 7:08 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by Dawn Bertot
10-23-2008 12:17 PM


Unable
the grade of my filter is in allignment with reality.
The grade of your filter is as arbitrary as the one I selected with the definition of "unwilling" as "unable to over come ones reluctance".That you don't see Uhura sitting there with her fingers in her ears singing "Tra-la”la-la”la" (unable) as a different cause for the lack of an response then all the occupants of the other ship stuck between decks in their turbolift (unable) is merely your coarsening the filter so as to end up with a dichotomy.
It would make no sense for Spock to ask question as or postulate such a query, seeing he did not know either of the two alternatives.
There arn't two alternatives, only one: unable.
Sure he could have reduced it or refined his question if he knew the answer to one or the other, clearly he did not.
As each can be defined in terms of the other If I'd chosen the other I'd just be selecting a different point in the infinite regression.
Yes, of course the reasons and possibiltes as to why they did or did not respond are limitless, but they will not go beyond the axiom of unable or unwilling. This seems to make no sense.
They might have responded just fine, did the camera pan over to Uhura while Spock was speaking? So, if it makes no sense to reduce the choice to only unable, why does it make sense to reduce it to only unable or unwilling? Because Spock said so?

Kindly
When I was young I loved everything about cigarettes: the smell, the taste, the feel . everything. Now that I’m older I’ve had a change of heart. Want to see the scar?

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lyx2no
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Message 146 of 297 (486827)
10-24-2008 7:53 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by Straggler
10-24-2008 6:43 PM


There Can Be Only One: Redux
That is why neither you nor Bertot have actually been able to state an "axiom of reality" after 140 posts of opportunity to do so.
May I . though not original to me? "I think, therefore I am." I'll not be able to make further deductions from it, so it's not worth much, but it is an axiom and the only one of "reality". After this I pile on the propositions.

Kindly
When I was young I loved everything about cigarettes: the smell, the taste, the feel . everything. Now that I’m older I’ve had a change of heart. Want to see the scar?

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