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Author Topic:   Equating science with faith
FliesOnly
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Message 175 of 326 (461443)
03-25-2008 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by Beretta
03-25-2008 11:48 AM


Re: Faith vs Reality
Beretta writes:
So it takes faith to attempt to explain it without God.
No, Beretta, it does not take ANY faith to explain it without God. How many friggen times do you need this explained to you? We do not claim to know how it happened. No scientists has ever claimed to know how life originated. Instead, we have ideas, concepts, hypotheses as to how life MAY have gotten started. These hypotheses are based on scientifically sound principles. No faith is needed and none is used.
Creationists are the ones claiming to know how it happened. Creationists are the ones that need faith in order to explain how their God created life.
You have been told this repeatedly but you still pull out the "Science is Faith" bullshit. It's getting old.
Beretta writes:
Because biological systems have biochemical similarities and homlogous structures as well as a common genetic code, we cannot conclude direct relationship, because a common designer may be an equally valid explanation.
Yeah...a really stupid, incompetent, deceitful designer. After all, why else would he duplicate mistakes. Why else would he design things in a manner that so perfectly fit evolution? You ever heard of cladistics, Beretta? It does a most wonderful job of explaining relationships.
Beretta writes:
Unfortunately evolution is taught as a fact in science because we can't prove that God exists but if He does, which presumably you believe, we have no right teaching it as if because 'science' says it is true and 'science' can only works with possible material causes, therefore the material explanation is the best we can do.
What? We teach evolution as fact because we can't prove that God exists?
How about we teach evolution as a fact because it is, indeed, a fact.
Beretta writes:
Just because we can invent an explanation that fits our basic prejudice does not make it true? It makes it 'faith' in our basic assumptions.
Once again, you spout such utter nonsense. In science, we go where the evidence takes us. We have no preconceived notions nor do we invent explanations to fit our biased assumptions...but you have been told this repeatedly as well. You do this only so you can make your stupid claim of evolutionary theory being "faith based". That's crap, Beretta. It is the complete opposite from how science actually works, and you know this, as you have been told as such many, many times.
Beretta writes:
Therefore it should not be taught as fact without allowing for the opposing evidence to be taught so that everybody may be allowed to think.
What opposing evidence? You don't want everyone to think...you simply want to indoctrinate them into your Christian view of biblical creation. Be honest about it, Beretta.
Beretta writes:
Experimental science will not be affected if we allow for open doubts about the current paradigm belief system.
We do this already...it's called the scientific method and it is the reason we teach evolution in the manner we do. So I guess you can quit complaining about it....you have gotten (actually, you have always had) your wish. Thanks for playing.

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FliesOnly
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Message 195 of 326 (461555)
03-26-2008 7:25 AM
Reply to: Message 194 by OurCynic
03-26-2008 5:16 AM


Re: faith and science: different systems?
OurCynic writes:
Such, that in my view the older sundial method for determining time which I'll equate to religion, may no longer be as accurate as an atomic clock, which I'll equate to science respectively. So, it is difficult to find an argument with your statement.
I'm not really sure if I understand you correctly here. The sundial is a scientific instrument. It does not require faith to look at a sundial and estimate the time, so equating it to religion is a bit misleading.
And as such, "Accuracy" is not at all a fair representation of the differences between faith and science

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