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lehtv
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Message 149 of 199 (508904)
05-17-2009 5:34 AM
Reply to: Message 147 by GDR
05-16-2009 6:51 PM


GDR writes:
The fact still remains that [the Bible] is evidence which can be accepted or rejected.
Just as Harry Potter is evidence of the existence of Hogwarts and it can be accepted or rejected.
GDR writes:
I have faith that the stories reflect reality and an atheist has faith that the stories are false.
No - an atheist LACKS faith that the stories are TRUE. You're assuming positive belief where there is none. Unless you're just playing word games - would you say that you have faith there is no invisible pink unicorn in a lake under the antarctic ice? Or you lack faith?
The reason this distinction is important is that everyone lacks faith in millions of things that COULD be true - i.e. are undisprovable - and no one actively disbelieves in all of them, but rather passively rejects the plausibilty of most (=believer) or all (=atheist) fairy tales due to lack of evidence.
GDR writes:
all of the evidence I refer to is subjective, none of it scientific.
There is no real evidence that is not scientific evidence. Unscientific evidence is what we call wishful thinking.
GDR writes:
The good news for me is that I can't lose. If I'm right I'll be able to say I told you so in the next life. If you're right - c'est la vie.
Yes, you can lose. There are countless ways in which reality COULD be such that you won't be sitting on a cloud in your afterlife. Perhaps, when we die, we all go to a place called fun-land where the evil kangaroo-goblins pinch our ears for an eternity despite all the good things we've done. Who knows.
Edited by lehtv, : grammar fix

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lehtv
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Message 165 of 199 (509032)
05-18-2009 6:37 AM
Reply to: Message 164 by Rrhain
05-18-2009 3:55 AM


Is there anything that is explained on its own or is Rrhain required for everything?
Edited by lehtv, : No reason given.

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lehtv
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Message 169 of 199 (509117)
05-18-2009 7:45 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by GDR
05-18-2009 1:34 PM


GDR writes:
It is my view that abiogenesis by strictly natural processes would be a greater miracle than would abiogenesis due to an external intelligence.
Why would that be? There are billions upon billions of planets in the universe, so if we say that abiogenesis is extremely, extremely improbable, it can still happen once.
EDIT: sorry I probably understated the number of planets a bit; in our galaxy alone, there are hundreds of billions of stars. If we assume that on average, each star has one planet orbiting, then we'd have to multiply that hundreds of billions by hundreds of billions of galaxies, which would be astronomically many planets.
Edited by lehtv, : correction

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lehtv
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Message 178 of 199 (509199)
05-19-2009 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 170 by GDR
05-18-2009 9:21 PM


GDR writes:
Science may some day come up with an answer of how basic ingredients might combine to form a cell
As pointed out by Rrhain, the cell didn't form from any basic ingredients just like that. Here's a good video to watch (from about 3 minutes onward): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg

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