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Hyroglyphx
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Message 7 of 68 (513391)
06-28-2009 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by RAZD
06-27-2009 12:07 PM


Re: agnostic logic and subjective opinion
In other words, you recognize that agnostic is the logical conclusion, but that it is not subjectively satisfactory - people like answers, not indecision.
True, but why make up an answer before actually knowing one?
Everything else you've stated I agree with.
Edited by Hyroglyphx, : Smilie didn't work, dammit!

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 13 of 68 (513509)
06-29-2009 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by InGodITrust
06-28-2009 2:50 PM


1)I don't think anyone will convince anyone else that the Lord exists with arguments and logic. I think prayer might be the best way to come to the Lord: either praying oneself or by others praying for him.
How many unanswered prayers are necessary before a prayer actually works and the people don't loose heart? Even Christians would admit that their prayers are often not answered. At some point you are going to come to the conclusion that your dialogue with God is actually a monologue with yourself.
the information in the film and on the sign conflicts with the Bible.
That's not surprising. What does the Bible really say about the formation of the Earth? An off-hand blurb, maybe? The Bible isn't equipped nor was it intended to answer scientific questions.
Now the 1st Amendment is interpreted to bar religion being preached by the government in schools and public buildings---and rightly so I guess. But why doesn't it prevent atheism from being preached? Why is atheism the official government position?
Atheism is not the official government position. The official government position is no position on religion. Atheism is not a default religion in religion's absence. The gov't takes an agnostic position on such matters, and thank God they do! That's a wonderful thing, even for Christians like yourself. Because when the Pilgrims fled England their families for several generations were forced to agree and practice the Church of England's or the Roman Catholic Church's brand of religion. Dogma replaced doctrine and a few people realized that. When Martin Luther posted his famous dictum on the church doors it sparked a revolution that carried on to America.
It was only because of the oppression of religion over there that gave you the freedom of religion here.
All the sign and film would have had to add was something like "scientists conclude the age of the formation to be"; or "geologists date the formation"; and it would be better. Instead the we are taught matter-of-factly that " the age is".
So what should it say? "This here canyon is 7,500 years old (plus or minus a few years) because Moses said so?" Are they supposed to be sensitive to everyone's religious views while denying what they know empirically?
Sounds to me like the only thing that would satisfy you is if thought exactly as you do. What a dull and dreary world.
Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

"Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 15 of 68 (513597)
06-30-2009 8:28 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Rrhain
06-30-2009 3:26 AM


They came to the colonies because they would be free to establish what was essentially a theocracy.
The first Colonials established the colonies so they can run a theocracy? Please verify this.
Prior to their landing on Plymouth Rock, there had already been a Puritan revolution in England where in fact they were persecuted by the Church of England. Quakers assemblies were abolished and punishable by torture and/or imprisonment.
The Quakers were essentially run out of Massachusetts under threat of death. Even Virginia enacted capital punishment upon Quakers.
If they did it was most likely either British citizens loyal to the king or Colonists who held Anglican religious views.
The protections we have for religious freedom came from the fallout of the tremendous intolerance that was the hallmark of the original colonies.
The religious freedoms come from the fallout of the tremendous intolerance that was the hallmark of England. If that followed overseas to some degree, so be it. The point is still the same.

"Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson

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