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Author Topic:   Chance moves in mysterious ways.
iceage 
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Message 18 of 99 (442203)
12-20-2007 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by sinequanon
12-17-2007 3:54 PM


sinquanon writes:
"Randomness done it" is as rigorous as "God done it".
Hi Sinquanon. Not really sure what the thrust of your post is but "randomness" has its own branch of mathematics.
Random processes can be modeled and described with detail. Therefore I can't buy "Randomness done it" is like saying "God done it".
sinquanon writes:
Is the existence of randomness verified and falsifiable?
Sure. You can conduct your own experiments with a coin.

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iceage 
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Message 58 of 99 (442790)
12-22-2007 5:02 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by sinequanon
12-20-2007 4:37 PM


sinequanon writes:
This thread is to examine why science accepts the explanation "Randomness done it".
Ah ok. If you are referring to evolution obviously, selection is a mechanism that filters random events and this is trivial to demonstrate.
sinequanon writes:
Take the very simple quantum physics example of bound states of a particle in a square potential well. Quantum theory predicts a probability distribution for the particle's position in the well, and this is supported by experiment.
I perform an experiment and get a value for the particle's position.
I repeat the experiment and get a different value, any value in the range of the well.
There is no way of determining what the next value will be.
Several repeats may reveal a pattern, but there is no model for the order in which the pattern of values arises. So we have an unexplained phenomenon with consequence.
What caused the values to be different? God or randomness?
In the aggregate we can characterize and make predictions, etc.
For example, if we have a lump of a known radioactive material we can make predictions on the average number of decaying particles per unit time. However as far as I know at the individual atomic level we cannot make predictions when a specific particle will decay. I think you can safely say "only God know that".
sinequanon writes:
Is "randomness" a backdoor by which God can work his magic unscrutinized?
This is actual a good and interesting point.
I had a similar thought when first I learned of the unpredictability at the quantum level. Back then, I was more theistically inclined (at least with respect to organized religions).
I used this arguement to explain why perhaps God could work miracles in nonlinear dynamic systems that could be influenced at the quantum level via initial conditions that exist within the uncertainty boundaries. Perhaps, i thought, this is why God could heal some diseases but never restores body part or limb.

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