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Syamsu 
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Message 4 of 214 (364505)
11-18-2006 6:46 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by randman
11-17-2006 5:39 PM


1. natural selection
bait - the survival and reproduction of organisms is a physical process as can be observed
switch - therefore natural selection / differential reproductive success is a physical process
actual - natural selection is actually a comparison of physical processes, it compares reproductionrates, but the comparison is not a physical process. Natural selection solely occurs in the minds of people, there are no comparisons being made in nature between types of organisms.
2. material emotions
bait - alcohol is a chemical, if somebody drinks it their emotional state generally changes
switch - therefore emotions are chemical processes in nature working by cause and effect
actual - when talking about alcohol influencing emotional states, we are looking at alcohol from an anticipation-theory point of view, such as that the alcohol interrupts the rhythm in which we make decisions, it reorganizes the centers of decision in our brain. So our emotions aren't chemical processes in any usual sense of the term working by cause and effect, they are in stead processes of chances being decided in a network of decisioncenters, controlled by immaterial states such as pleasure and pain.
3. evolutionary morality
bait - when talking about goodness in a Darwinian sense, then that is just a technical meaning of goodness as meaning enhancing chances of survival and reproduction, it does not mean moral goodness
switch - there is no such thing as a spiritual goodness or evil, it can't be observed so for as far as science goes it doesn't exist
actual - So to say first Darwinians accept a spiritual goodness so to make natural selection theory distinct from that spiritual goodness and have the theory be descriptive rather then prescriptive. Then they turn around and deny that there is any spiritual realm at all, leaving Darwinian goodness as the only goodness, and natural selection theory as defacto a moral theory about valueing complexity, life, survival and reproduction.
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Mohammad Nur Syamsu

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Syamsu 
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Message 24 of 214 (365793)
11-24-2006 3:41 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Dr Adequate
11-22-2006 6:06 AM


That's technically true that they may believe in another good, but in reality it works like I say it does. Propose the material good of survival, then deny that it is moral, then proceed to violently destroy any knowledge of spiritual good as being unscientific pink elephants, leaving the material good of survival as the defacto morality by elimination of all others goods.
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Mohammad Nur Syamsu

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Syamsu 
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Message 28 of 214 (365940)
11-25-2006 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by Dr Adequate
11-24-2006 11:46 PM


In reality Darwinists face identity-issues for themselves, conceiving of themselves as being at base organisms in a struggle for survival, in the context of natural selection. That they might conjure up something else besides that base is neither here nor there, the results are all properly classed as evolutionary moralities because of the basis. Even if for instance their belief is about going against selfish genes, then that is still an evolutionary morality about selfish genes.
regards,
Mohammad Nur Syamsu

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