String Theory: Science or Philosophy

Just one thing.....string theory is..as far as I know yet not complete in it's unifying gravity and quantum mechanics. The mathmatic models are not yet fully developed, at least from what I read in Brian Greenes' book The Elegant Universe . Also I thought that there were several versions of String Theory..some called Super String Theory,, String theory..etc.. So If I am not mistaken the only problem with your proposition is that String theory is not yet been accepted as " the Theory of Everything".

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"One is punished most for ones virtues" Fredrick Neitzche

M-theory fundamentals are yet still UNKNOWN. Based on unknown eleven-dimensional theory. If you have data or evidence that does show M-theory fundamentals that show evidence of Mbranes or SST showing confirmation of the gravation by all means please list your source. edit to add And claim your Nobel Prize as well .This message has been edited by 1.61803, 12-28-2004 14:55 AM

Not true, Einstein’s theory of relativity was original and untested. He went totally against the status quo in this regard. Light up until Einstein was thought to propagate as a wave through ether. Einstein had the balls to say 'there is no ether".
Categorical imperatives and Kantian arguments were refuted by the British empiricist , David Hume being one. He argued that categorical imperatives are imagined, there are no absolutes. Morality is subjective. There is no objective morality IMO.
Sting theory is simply mathematical calisthenics used to attempt to merge GR and find the graviton, by using strings of Planks length as the fundamental element with tremendous tension to vibrate into existence the fundamental particles of reality.This message has been edited by AdminPhat, 03-26-2005 07:32 AM

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"One is punished most for ones virtues" Fredrick Neitzche

I agree, string theory as many current theories can be described as a phylosophy.As far as an objective morality goes verses subjective. Well that gets into metaphysics and dualism and a whole host of topics that are off topic. Suffice it to say morality is based on society IMO and not on some invisiable or supernatural thing called morality. **edit to add: The theory of General Relativity mathmatically is a SOUND theory and was presented as such by Einstien. No shakey ground except for your facts about String Theory and M theory being the current Theory of everything.This message has been edited by 1.61803, 12-28-2004 21:02 AM

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"One is punished most for ones virtues" Fredrick Neitzche

Science IMO will never make such a claim that there is no God, Science only deals with methods that can be tested,verified and repeated independantly regardless of who conducts the experiment. It is theist that make extravagant claims that are continually found erroneous by scientific inquiry. The existance of God or non existance of God as far as science is concerned is superfulous.IMO. By definition String theory is science. It is not something just postulated, the mathmatics of the theory is although complicated the equations are worked out by a whole host of physicist that come up with the same answers. I understand how one can "describe" some of the concepts of advance theories of cosmology as phlosophy, but that is a metaphor, not a fact. IMO.
As far as String theory having anything to do with morality or any other scientific theory for that matter is just silly IMO.

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"One is punished most for ones virtues" Fredrick Neitzche

Hello, That is a rational conclusion. If the Earth is round then it is not Flat.
If the Earth moves around the sun then the sun does not move around the Earth. Science forces us to accept 'truths' because not to accept them IMO is operating in ignorance. Refusing to accept the fact that the Earth is round is ignorant. Why? Because mankind has established that it is indeed round. Now if the bible told you that the Earth was flat would you believe it is flat, given the enormous data to the contrary? Then why would one accept the concept of a young Earth? Or a global flood? How much knowlege would mankind have if all the progress made in the name of science was negated by biblical proponents. How much progress would be made if all inquiry stopped and we all agreed that God did it, end of story? String theory is not just a bunch of nerds sitting around talking about strings of plankes length...there are calculations and incredibly complex mathmatics that back up the theory. It is incomplete yes but it is NOT simply a bunch of bullshit. Yes string theory can be tested. But by tested I mean mathmatically..No one can see or measure something smaller than plankes size. Because plankes size is the limit.
Anyways String theory and M theory are not the Theory of everything. "The mind of God" is still out of our grasp.

Why? I do not accept the 'premise' that there are only strings. I do not understand enough about the idea of string theory to make an informed decision but from what I do know it is NOT an adequate model and at best decades from being fully developed.. But what the fuck does string theory have to do with morality? My adherence to morality is based on my own concept of what I think is moral. What I have been taught, what I have experienced, What society deems is moral and what my personal world views lead me to believe is "moral". Not God.
I am not understanding where you are going with all this..really I am trying.
1. I pointed out that a complete theory of everything does not exist yet,, but you continue to maintain it does.
2. I pointed out to you that the concept of an absolute truth and objective morality is based on ancient metaphysics
3. I pointed out that String theory is a science. Because the math can be tested and validated.
I think this thread is beginning to unravel.**edit to add : here is a link that shows that String theory is "testable"other than math.
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**edit to fix link.This message has been edited by 1.61803, 12-30-2004 17:12 AMThis message has been edited by 1.61803, 12-30-2004 17:23 AM

Well after a little internet romp I found this article that seems to shit can string theory altogether. So commike37 you can rest easy that string theory is likely to amount to a unified theory.
It seems you can call it a waste of time. String Theorists Finally Admit Defeat | Not Even Wrong