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Son Goku
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Message 1 of 129 (243050)
09-13-2005 5:04 PM


Since so many topics have come up concerning the theory, perhaps a thread where people can ask questions and discuss the theory in its own right would be a decent addition.
Anything from orbits to Wormholes, with actually decent, "non-pop science" answers.

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Son Goku
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Message 3 of 129 (243375)
09-14-2005 3:58 PM


What is General Relativity?
What did Einstein mean when he said spacetime is curved and how does this relate to gravity?
What is the Big Bang and what does it say of the origin of the universe?
How do Wormholes and Black holes work?
Questions of this kind are often asked concerning Einstein's theory and answers in the media range from poor to nearly adequate.
Very often the subject is either dumbed down to a ludicrous degree or an off hand joke is made about how it is abstract and "detached from reality".
How do you guys perceive the theory and does anybody have a question concerning its content and what it attempts to say about our universe?
(I'm aiming for this to be a general "questions and criticisms" thread, so all comments concerning the theory are welcome.)

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Son Goku
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Message 6 of 129 (243881)
09-15-2005 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by JustinC
09-15-2005 3:25 AM


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Is it just that in SR spacetime isn't curved?
In the context of Relativity that is exactly how they are related.
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Also, does spacetime curvature just mean non-Euclidean geometry? In this way, it's not necessary to view spacetime curving into other dimensions as we see in the analogies involving two dimensions?
Yes, spacetime isn't "sitting" in something else.
The curvature refers to its own geometry without any reference to something external.

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Son Goku
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Message 108 of 129 (263461)
11-27-2005 7:05 AM


We have a theory of gravity, even though the evidence for it is scanty at best.
RAZD, what kind of evidence do you want?
Do you require us to actually collapse a Star into a Black Hole and then start testing stuff a few meters above the horizon, because short of this we have tested it in almost every conceivable way.
There are some definite observed anomalies where observed behavior does not match predicted values, some involving satellites in the further reaches of the solar system.
The actual momentum imparted by the Pioneer Anomaly is 0.0000000258 kgm/s^2. Or 1/40 of the strength of a kick from a butterfly delivered every second or a headbutt from a gnat.
Now let's view this in perspective, the orbit of a craft which has travelled the extent of the whole solar system and beyond, going into the Oort cloud, is off on an unexpected trajectory.
The difference in this trajectory from the standard trajectory is the same as if the craft was being headbutted by a gnat all the way.
To me a million other things could explain this, in place of "new physics" and that is the opinion of everybody who examines it.
This message has been edited by Son Goku, 11-27-2005 07:06 AM

  
Son Goku
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Message 112 of 129 (263853)
11-28-2005 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by RAZD
11-27-2005 3:59 PM


Re: gravity.
RAZD writes:
the point is not that there is {no evidence at all}, but that the evidence we have is not sufficient to say that current theory covers the observed data
The observed evidence is way more than sufficient, it is on par with QED for the most rigorously tested theory in modern physics.
RAZD writes:
... and thus that we have a cohesive theory for how gravity works. we have anomalies. "dark matter" is not an actually observed piece of evidence but a hypothetical explanation for an observed large scale anomaly, where the current theory of gravity does not work.
Okay, first General Relativity works for any Stellar system we have observed, emphasise on any.
That is more than enough to accept it as an intra-stellar theory of gravity.
Now for interstellar.
We can't use the full Einsteinian Field Equation, so we use the Post-Newtonian approximation and this is only off when we get to the galactic scale.
And is it off in a structural manner?
No, the galaxy has the same structure as the PN approximation predicts, it simply slowed in a rotational manner.
Now if we add to the simulations a certain amount of Dark Material we get the correct rotation curve.
There are no anomalies, either justified enough or blatant enough to warrant another theory of gravity.
So either:
a) every cosmologist is worshipping their doctrine of General Relativity because we love epicycles so much that we collect them.
or
b)General Relativity is actually supported by evidence and that is the reason it is the dominant theory of gravity.
And gravity waves are tremendously weak.
Einstein's equations combined with numerical analysis warned us how difficult to detect they would be, so that isn't a flaw.
Only now are places like Glasgow, Cardiff, e.t.c. finally reaching the level of technology were we can tune out the quantum "noise".

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