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In conclusion, based on all the logical evidence presented, it is possible that since infinite past, although hard to comprehend, could have held a law witch was conscious of itself and was able to make decisions, such as to create the universe. According to the logic, we are forced to draw this conclusion, because there is no way that anything will happen without something causing it to happen. To assume this would be to assume that your computer will suddenly transform into a cat without reason. Without a cause, there can be no effect.
Therefore either god is real and:
1. Caused the big bang,
2. Created the world in 6 days. (My prefered belief) or
3. Did it another way.
I think Guido posed a valid question that was misunderstood and included a conclusion that was not the product of logical deduction. Removing from his debate the reliance on a definition of the physical laws of nature his initial point has merit. If the big bang is thought to create the time and space we inhabit and the physical laws of science that act upon these dimensions then something would in theory need to be a catalyst to start the imbalance that created everything around us.
However to make a logical jump to his requirements that because there must have been a physical law acting for there to be a catalyst that began the big bang there must be a consciousness to this catalyst. Guido, if there was a physical law of nature in existence before our big bang (which I whole heartedly endorse) there is no evidence that this must be by conscious design. It very well could be cyclic and all matter may someday merge back together to start the process anew. Or maybe everything we call our universe as created by our big bang is nothing more than a pocket of space time, localized uniquely to every vantage point within. Maybe this pocket of space time is just one of an infinite number of such pockets and what we call our big bang might be nothing more than the byproduct of two of these pockets colliding.
I also strongly believe that you are on the right track in that an infinite length of time likely existed before the event that created all we can see in every direction. An infinite length of time for an infinite number of such pockets of space time to be created, exist, and perish in the vast infinite fabric of Space and Time in our whole Universe.
This message has been edited by nipok, 04-28-2005 09:40 PM
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