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grant111
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Message 1 of 86 (498808)
02-14-2009 4:26 AM


I have a basic understanding of the law of conservation of energy. It pretty much says that something can't come from nothing. If you think back to the very beginning of things wouldn't there be a time where nothing existed? If there was a time when nothing existed then how does anything exist today? Doesn't the "existence" of "things" today violate the law of conservation of energy, because in the beginning nothing existed?

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grant111
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Message 23 of 86 (499504)
02-18-2009 9:36 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by cavediver
02-14-2009 8:18 AM


So you cannot point to a time where 'nothing' exists. There is no moment when there is nothing and then a moment when there is something. This is nonsense. There are only moments where there is something, for moments themselves are 'something'. It is quite possible that the Universe has an earliest time - but this does not represent a beginning to the Universe - just a beginning to our idea of time. Just as the North Pole is the beginning of the lines of longitude, but it is not a beginning of the Earth.
Are you implying that there is infinite space and time? If there is infinite space and time how can you represent time and space as changing if there is no reference point or point of origin at which space and time can increase or decrease from? How does space and time or anything else change if it is infinite? Doesn't there have to be a point at which something is zero?
Edited by grant111, : No reason given.

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grant111
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Message 39 of 86 (500362)
02-25-2009 2:24 AM
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02-25-2009 2:07 AM


onifre writes:
Sure, but who created the creator?
A creator can't be created. That would defeat the whole concept. Anyway...

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Message 47 of 86 (500634)
02-28-2009 3:44 PM
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02-25-2009 4:36 AM


Huntard writes:
So, you're saying that because mankind has acted as a creator, we can't be created? Thank you for clearing that up.
How has mankind acted as a creator? I think you are taking it out of context. If you are a caveman or anyone else lacking the technology to better observe your surroundings and you are wondering where you and all this stuff came from, you will then probably simply write it off as the workings of a higher power or a creator.
I'm not sure how mankind can act as a creator. Your thoughts and ideas are intangible. They are not real, so in reality (from a nihilistic point of view) you are not creating anything, stuff is just moving around.

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